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Old 06-17-2016, 01:38 PM
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300 million guns in America, and, according to the gun-huggers, still not enough?
Need more. Still not safe yet.
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:38 PM
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So let's take away all AR15s/AK47s owned by law-biding citizens. If we do this, mass shooting will never ever occur again.

As we all know, it's impossible for evil-minded people to buy guns on the black market.

LMAO.
Well certainly convicted Felons are not supposed to be able to buy Guns but yet still get them.
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:46 PM
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and, about a zillion or so AK variants were made all over the world. As porous as our borders are, it would be super easy to slip a crate of those in.
Shipments of a ton or so of weed (a low cost drug) have been captured by Law Enforcement.
If the demand for Guns is enough to force the cost up Tons of Guns will be smuggled in to the US.

Example I recently saw a website that showed the percentage of Guns that got into Mexico that came from the USA which represented 30% of the Guns in Mexico. Where did the other 70% of the Guns come from when owning a gun legally in Mexico is restricted?
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:53 PM
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300 million guns in America, and, according to the gun-huggers, still not enough?
You have missed another point. The Guns that are supposed to be designed only to kill have not resulted in 300 million deaths or injuries. That means the huge majority of Gun owners are obeying the Laws when it comes to using the Guns. That also means any Bills that restrict Gun ownership and purchases will be restricting mostly law abiding Citizens (and legal Aliens).

Also Guns are Tools and just like Tools people that own Guns often to have more then one of them. So a more accurate figure would be to see the number of Gun owners.

Most of the shootings that happen here in Los Angeles County CA are Gang, Drug or Criminal related.
Criminals need Guns to protect themselves from other Criminals (other Gang Members and other Criminals are often the targets) as well as to ply their trade.
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:02 PM
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No way - every time someone kills a bunch of people with a gun, it feeds straight into the NRA's narrative of a world filled with murderous psychopaths waiting to kill you and your family, and the only way to protect yourself is by arming to the teeth and being ready to slaughter the bad guys at a moment's notice. Never mind that the NRA is itself complicit in ensuring our country is now so awash in firearms that nearly anyone can get one, legally or otherwise.


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Home invasion robberies are not un-common here in S. CA. If you did get a chance to call the Police would the get there in time?

Again the NRA is a Democratic Body that represents the Membership and as was said is partly supported by the Firearms Industry.
At one time the US Government also partly supported the NRA.

The NRA uses protection of your Home and Property as one of the examples of why someone would need a gun because of People who say there is no reason to own a Gun.
And as shown in the below link an armed citizens act as a deterrent.

"Criminals Fear Armed Citizens more than they do the Police"
Criminals Fear Armed Citizens more than they do the Police | Liberty Firearms Training
CA is the State I live in.

"California is an interesting example of the deeply confused minds of those who assume they know more about how YOU should live your life than you do. I am of course referring to many of the politicians in Sacramento.

After years of trying to regulate California criminals with a never ending stream of gun control laws they have still not given up with the belief that if they make something a crime that criminals will miraculously start obeying the law.

In a survey of criminals(read that as FELONS IN PRISON), Professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi of the Social and Demographic Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts conducted a study in 1982 and 1983 paid for by the U.S. Department of Justice. (Professor Rossi was a former President of the American Sociological Association.) The researchers interviewed 1,874 imprisoned felons in ten states.

88% of the criminals surveyed by Wright and Rossi agreed with the statement that, “A criminal who wants a handgun is going to get one.”(read this to mean that these felons are not obeying the gun laws and the Legislature cannot figure this out)

Wright and Rossi reported that:
81% of interviewees agreed that a “smart criminal” will try to determine if a potential victim is armed.

74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, because of fear of being shot.

57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police.

40% of the felons said that they had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed.

57% of the felons who had used guns themselves said that they had encountered potential victims who were armed.

34% of the criminal respondents said that they had been scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed citizen.

Based on this government-funded research by Wright and Rossi, it would appear to a reasonable and prudent man that armed citizens do have a deterrent effect on crime."

What if Criminals could enter your House knowing for sure that you are not armed? Think!
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:34 PM
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"Paul Sperry at CounterJihad unveils a public record showing Omar Mateen gave his house to his sister and Afghan-born brother-in-law virtually for free — with his wife Noor Salman as a witness — two months before he slaughtered dozens of gay clubgoers in Orlando, Florida."

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Old 06-17-2016, 04:43 PM
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You have missed another point. The Guns that are supposed to be designed only to kill....
Could you acquaint me with the multiple design intents of a gun? We know that it is designed to kill - what other potential uses are contemplated by the typical gun designer?
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:37 PM
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Could you acquaint me with the multiple design intents of a gun? We know that it is designed to kill - what other potential uses are contemplated by the typical gun designer?
I mentioned in another post that I have shot at a lot of Paper Targets and things like Cans. It is called "plinking"; the informal shooting at non-living targets. A decidely non-blood sport.

I have shot about 20 Rabbits and one Duck. I fogot I also have shot some Ground Squirrels.

The only injury I have ever caused to a Human with a Gun is when I was in the Army I burned my Finger on the the Gas Tube on an M-16.

In short a Human decides if a Gun is going to be used to kill or the Gun is going to hang on the Wall and gather durst.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:55 PM
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I was actually being nice to you..sorry you mis-interpreted it, and took a defensive posture.
With that being said, I believe all you are doing with the rest of your post is parroting talking points.

Try to put your mind around this: Since the US illegally invaded Afghanistan in 2001 over 100,000 people have been killed. A person would be foolish to think that one of the relatives of those people, or..some nut with some loose screws would not be upset by those people being killed because of War Crimes committed by the US.
It's called Blow Back..certainly you have heard of the term.
Think about that for a moment, and if you can respond without emotion, perhaps we can move on to deeper issues so you can gain a better understanding.
Like I said..'Learn to Listen'.

As far as Intelligance is concerned, deiselnineoneone and chilcutt are not sitting in any briefing room developing strategy..so that makes us a couple of blokes typing words on a computer screen..nothing more..nothing less.
But, who killed them?

This was the only site I could find that showed killed by the Insurgents. Looks like most of the time the Insurgents are the leading killers of Civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

Apparently the only close to accurate figures of how the deaths were caused comes from Colition Forces or US Forces because they are the only forces that cared enough to record them.

I tried to find out how many Civilisns the Soviet Union forces (your communist friends) killed but could not find any info on that.

Maybe something here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/08/the-soviet-war-in-afghanistan-1979-1989/100786/
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Old 06-17-2016, 10:09 PM
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So it turns out a gun shop figured the guy was a nut case when he wanted full HD body armor and a thousand rounds of ammo and told him sorry charlie. They even reported this and FBI followed up, but zip. FBI screwed the pooch.
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Old 06-18-2016, 10:16 AM
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But, who killed them?

This was the only site I could find that showed killed by the Insurgents. Looks like most of the time the Insurgents are the leadking killers of Civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)

Apparently the only close to accurate figures of how the deaths were caused comes from Colition Forces or US Forces because they are the only forces that cared enough to record them.

I tried to find out how many Civilisns the Soviet Union forces (your communist friends) killed but could not find any info on that.

Maybe something here:
The Soviet War in Afghanistan, 1979 - 1989 - The Atlantic
Once again you are dancing around the main theme.
The USA Illegally invaded Afghanistan..thats a fact.

In many of hollywoods action movies..a ragtag band of defenders assemble to fight off invaders.
Take Star Wars and Independance Day for example.
Luke and Will Smith were charecters that fought out against Aliens.
In the case a of Afghanistan and other places in the M.E.as well as other places all around the globe..the USA are seen as the Aliens..the people in those countries are merely fighting against Aliens.
Looked at from their perspective, they are doing nothing that you yourself, or many Americans would do if the USA was illegally invaded.
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Old 06-18-2016, 10:35 PM
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Once again you are dancing around the main theme.
The USA Illegally invaded Afghanistan..thats a fact.

In many of hollywoods action movies..a ragtag band of defenders assemble to fight off invaders.
Take Star Wars and Independance Day for example.
Luke and Will Smith were charecters that fought out against Aliens.
In the case a of Afghanistan and other places in the M.E.as well as other places all around the globe..the USA are seen as the Aliens..the people in those countries are merely fighting against Aliens.
Looked at from their perspective, they are doing nothing that you yourself, or many Americans would do if the USA was illegally invaded.
I thought the issue was killing civilians!

I actually don't know the spcifics of the legality. I do know that at first it was a colition not just the US that invaded.

I also know that 2 Presidents were clear that we would go anywhere in the World to get at our Enemies if we want to.
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Old 06-19-2016, 08:49 AM
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^The UN Charter provides that all member states must settle their International disputes by peacefull means,and no nation can use military force except in self-defense or when authorised by the Security Council.
Resolutions 1368 and 1373 condemned the Sept 11 attacks and ordered the freezing of assets; the criminalizing of terrorist activity, and the taking of steps to prevent the commision of terrorist activity.
In addition, it urged ratification and enforcement of the International conventions against terrorism.

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under Article 51 of the Charter because the attacks on Sept 11 were Criminal attacks, not "Armed Attacks" by another country.
Afghanistan did not attack the U.S.

The 'Global War on Terror' has been uncritically accepted by many in the US.
But terrorism is a tactic-not an enemy. You cant declare war on a tactic.

On October 7, 2001, the invasion of Afghanistan was called 'Operation Freedom'. The US Government claimed the invasion was in retaliation to the Sept 11 attacks, and that Afghanistan refused to hand over terrorists who had taken refuge there.

It should be noted that No Terrorist organisation has claimed responsibility for the Sept 11 attacks.

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The 'Global War on Terror' has been uncritically accepted by many in the US.
But terrorism is a tactic-not an enemy. You cant declare war on a tactic.


Agree wholeheartedly. Herein lies the nut of why we are having such a hard time. One cannot invade an uncontained enemy.


It should be noted that No Terrorist organisation has claimed responsibility for the Sept 11 attacks.

I thought Al'Queda rogered up for this.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:29 AM
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The 'Global War on Terror' has been uncritically accepted by many in the US.
But terrorism is a tactic-not an enemy. You cant declare war on a tactic.


Agree wholeheartedly. Herein lies the nut of why we are having such a hard time. One cannot invade an uncontained enemy.


It should be noted that No Terrorist organisation has claimed responsibility for the Sept 11 attacks.

I thought Al'Queda rogered up for this.
I will do some more research on that connection.
Thanks for pointing it out.
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