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Old 06-20-2017, 05:31 PM
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Sure. Exactly right.

I just wish the leakers weren't cowards. Got something important to say? Great. Be a man. Don't hide and don't run. Daniel Ellsberg is the best example of integrity in that regard.

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Old 06-22-2017, 04:15 PM
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Old 06-22-2017, 04:19 PM
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Yes. Whistleblowers serve the public good. Anonymous whisperers do not. They just create suspicion.

Kudos to President Obama for vigorously pursuing leakers. Hope Trump continues.
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Old 06-22-2017, 04:25 PM
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Yes. Whistleblowers serve the public good. Anonymous whisperers do not. They just create suspicion.

Kudos to President Obama for vigorously pursuing leakers. Hope Trump continues.
I wonder why the FBI and the police to name a few accept anonymous tips?
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Old 06-22-2017, 04:27 PM
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Perhaps because they have nothing to do with public policy.

Just a guess.
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So in certain cases they are good and in other cases they are bad?
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So in certain cases they are good and in other cases they are bad?
Oh come on. Now you're being needlessly obtuse.

Of course leakage is a good thing in some venues and a bad idea in others. Take the fellow selling secrets to China. Bad thing. Anonymous fact-based tip to police? Good thing. Leaking grand jury testimony: Bad thing. Etc.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:54 AM
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It's already been quoted in other threads, Tom. You look it up. As an minion of the .gov, I receive training on this sort of stuff every few years. Comey was a .gov employee, even as an politically appointed one. He was not exempt from following the US Code and interdepartmental rules and policies.
So you don't know, even though you have been 'trained'.... OK

AFAIK the jury is still out as to whether personal contemporaneous notes are considered classified or even government property.
As much as you would like our government to own people's thoughts, some of us prefer to limit the scope of government.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:59 AM
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We are all pretty sure that Trump has never leaked anything.... right?
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I think all the leakers are the result of the White House Bible studies.

Because in Ezekiel 33:6 we are told that if the Watchman sees trouble coming, and says nothing about it, then it is not the fault of the people that the nation falls. It is the fault of the Watchman for not alerting the people of the problems.

So is Trump someone who supports what the Bible teaches or not?
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:22 PM
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So you don't know, even though you have been 'trained'.... OK

AFAIK the jury is still out as to whether personal contemporaneous notes are considered classified or even government property.
As much as you would like our government to own people's thoughts, some of us prefer to limit the scope of government.
It's a grey area, personal notes.

When I was working on DWH NERDA council advised that any notes, even personal notes, were discoverable and must be preserved. All notes.

When I worked behind the door all notes stayed in the tank. No exceptions.

In normal work I could (and often did) take notebooks home so I could work at home. I also logged in remotely to the LAN using my personal laptop and kept information on my laptop. Like Hillary did. Except I never, under any circumstance, took any classified info or notes on classified info out of the secure area. Just no. And similarly, when working on DWH NRDA I retained all electronic (as well as paper) notes, no exception. But those I could take or download/upload from my personal laptop.

For the life of me, I do not understand why Hillary thought she could run confidential and classified and legal government business on a personal LAN and personal server. If some pinhead at DoS told her that it was ok then that guy was stupid or lying.
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It's a grey area, personal notes.

When I was working on DWH NERDA council advised that any notes, even personal notes, were discoverable and must be preserved. All notes.

When I worked behind the door all notes stayed in the tank. No exceptions.

In normal work I could (and often did) take notebooks home so I could work at home. I also logged in remotely to the LAN using my personal laptop and kept information on my laptop. Like Hillary did. Except I never, under any circumstance, took any classified info or notes on classified info out of the secure area. Just no. And similarly, when working on DWH NRDA I retained all electronic (as well as paper) notes, no exception. But those I could take or download/upload from my personal laptop.

For the life of me, I do not understand why Hillary thought she could run confidential and classified and legal government business on a personal LAN and personal server. If some pinhead at DoS told her that it was ok then that guy was stupid or lying.
Not everyone is as smart as you in that regard, before this so called scandal came to full bloom, I doubt that most of the American public knew what a server was and how to secure it or if it was secure at all. Ask a random person what a server is and 9 out of 10 don't have a clue. But I'm sur they have an opinion about it.

How many people still use their birth date or pets name as their WiFi password ?
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:44 PM
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ALL gov employees who handle records are required to receive annual training in records retention.

All gov holders of National Security clearances receive extra training on top of NARA training. You get that BEFORE you sign the ticket so you know exactly what you're getting into. There are periodic refresher courses that are required and must be signed. Every person holding a ticket gets a whole new ticket periodically. Don't recall the frequency, maybe 5 years? It's a PITA.

SF 85 is the form filled out to request a clearance. It is a felony to lie on that form. However, if, on your own, you come clean later and amend it usually they give you a pass after talking to your sternly and shaking a finger in your face.

The one bit of advice I received when first seeking a clearance was don't lie by commission or omission. I told the truth about everything and was nervous as hell! I had many skeletons. I revealed them all. Later I was told a lot of it is a test of honesty. They don't care if you burnt a spliff. They do care if you lie about it.

I guess what I'm trying to make clear is, as you say: few people outside of government are aware of records retention laws. Anybody who has been read into gov at any level that deals with records will have mandatory training before given access to anything.
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:48 PM
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Not everyone is as smart as you in that regard, before this so called scandal came to full bloom, I doubt that most of the American public knew what a server was and how to secure it or if it was secure at all. Ask a random person what a server is and 9 out of 10 don't have a clue. But I'm sur they have an opinion about it.

How many people still use their birth date or pets name as their WiFi password ?
Something I read recently on this subject of remote servers, it might have been at the state level, anyway, off site server use is the new way for a gov't entity to beat FOIA requests.

This needs addressed legally, soon.

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