Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help




Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum > General Discussion > Open Discussion > Open Discussion - Politics and Religion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:03 PM
davidmash's Avatar
Supercalifragilisticexpia
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Arlington, TX
Posts: 11,630
Please don't ask me to give up meat. I bought a ceramic smoker last year and I love having smoked meat now and then. I smoked a pork shoulder the other week and it was OH so good. Brisket wrapped in bacon and smoked for 10 hrs ... OH my god is that good. Please. I beg you, don;t ask me to give it up.
__________________
Sent from an agnostic abacus

2014 C250 21,XXX my new DD ** 2013 GLK 350 18,000 Wife's new DD**

- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:08 PM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 22,077
Quote:
Originally Posted by Botnst View Post
Meat is simply a conveniently packaged source of protein. Plants are less so.

The best solution is to lower the birth rate everywhere to below replacement. Over time it solves food problems, fuel problems, habitat problems, pollution problems, lebensraum, resource problems, etc.


Great but the poorest nations seem to be the ones that try to have the most kids.
Then there is no reasonable method of enforcement.


War is supposed to be awful but if we had not had all those wars we would likely all be starving.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:09 PM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzasaurus View Post
And this is the logic of the cure where they pump a cohabiting persons' liquefied feces into an ill person to repopulate their gut flora, right? I think it's mainly reserved for people who have taken a broad spectrum antibiotic that wiped out all their flora.

I feel like I read something a while ago about someone using the poop of tribes with minimal contact with the rest of us to figure out more about the gut biome and similar issues.

Here we go...
https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-microbiome/
Resistance to antibiotics found in isolated Amazonian tribe | Science | AAAS


Probably not a great idea to be given cattle so many antibiotics but business is business, amirite?
Pretty wild when we've come to a place where some people see dramatic improvement in health by swallowing a heavily coated large pill of feces from a really healthy person.

Better and more appealing I think to practice cultivating your own gut biome. 'Resistant starch' is getting a lot of buzz these days. Much web discussion. The scuttlebutt is that hunter/gathers got a lot more of that than we modern people - also the research on the effect it has on us is encouraging. My understanding is that it is starch with a molecular signature that does not offer itself up to easy digestion into sugars in our normal digestive (initial) process but survives that and makes an excellent meal for the intestinal bacteria that we want to nurture - it's referred to as pre-biotics. Lately I add about a tablespoon of a nifty non-dairy probiotic that Whole Foods carries, flavored with real blueberries, especially after a rare taking of anti-biotics. My whole ritual is lengthy, can be found here if anyone wants to read it:

blood pressure

Gives great bowel movement and is said to be a natural sleep aid with good dreams. I could swear I've found that to be true.

I'm no longer keen on the business of counting up amino acids, etc., treating the body like a check book: deposit nutrients, write checks for health and energy. Far better I think to feed ourselves is a manner that our digestive systems evolved to deal with.

I was pleased to learn that 'Paleo' is a new-ish trend, I've been thinking along those lines for years. I had a ritual for years in WA state of doing a major blueberry cleanse at U-pick orchards. Still do it out of grocery stores. Our digestive systems evolved for millions of years on variations of hunter/gatherer diets. Research indicates that pre-agrarian people were more robust than those that followed, even more so than modern humans. Infant mortality was greater it's true.

Wheat has been cultivated and eaten for perhaps 8,000 years at the most.

My study and reading has it that Quinoa is better than most all of the other grains but not any sort of perfect food. Perhaps more paleo as it's more of a seed than a grain. I mean, grains are seeds to, but different. Discussion here.

Mark Hyman (my new sort-of guru) is big on nuts and seeds. Says they contain good protein and fats and help allay diabetes. Resistant starch good on the latter also, or so the research has it.
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:10 PM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 22,077
If we were still hunter gathers meat eating would not be an issue due to the life style using up lots of calories and what meat that is to be had being lean.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:23 PM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel911 View Post
Great but the poorest nations seem to be the ones that try to have the most kids.
Then there is no reasonable method of enforcement.

War is supposed to be awful but if we had not had all those wars we would likely all be starving.
Word I've read is that war has had little effect on population growth. The only significant historical hit to population growth that I know of was the plague, the black death, whatever the best name is.

Word I've read is that the best governor on population growth/large families is women's education and better health care for children. Poor people have large families - supposedly - as a safeguard against poverty and high infant mortality. Reports are that 2nd generation Mexican women in the US are having fewer children and significantly so. Thankfully.
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:24 PM
Botnst's Avatar
What knockers!
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 25,365
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel911 View Post
Great but the poorest nations seem to be the ones that try to have the most kids.
Then there is no reasonable method of enforcement.


War is supposed to be awful but if we had not had all those wars we would likely all be starving.
The most effective way to limit population growth and increase wealth is educating girls. Nothing else is as effective.
__________________
'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility at the other'
- Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:33 PM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel911 View Post
If we were still hunter gathers meat eating would not be an issue due to the life style using up lots of calories and what meat that is to be had being lean.
Hunter/gathering wouldn't work too well now but it could be increased in the US IMO. In many places deer and wild boar are near pests owing to most of the natural predators having been eliminated.

I think that it is possible to tailor one's diet to somewhat replicate the hunter/gatherer routine. The business of food combining is along those lines. Hunter/gatherers likely did not have a lot of complex meals. Look at the average Thanksgiving dinner. Sort of fun but it is a virtual certainty that such things never happened during the millions of years our digestive systems were evolving.

I read Herbert Shelton's book 'Food Combining Made Easy' in my late 20s and tried it with some faithfulness for two years. Good Lord, why did I stop. It was a sort of golden age for me (along with quitting sugar). Women suddenly found me more appealing, virtually never had indigestion, just felt better all around.

One thing I really noticed - when I'd go home to the folks for Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner (very hard to say no to Mom's cooking on such occasions) Good Lord the stink my arm pits would put out around bedtime on those days. Supposedly the more gnarly aspects of body odor come from the body expelling toxins from poor digestion. My theory is that I noticed the smell more because the olfactory sense becomes quickly fatigued - you don't realize you stink after a while. On those days I rapidly went from good digestion to poor.
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 06-20-2017, 06:54 PM
A Talent for Obfuscation
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: In the Deep State
Posts: 7,351
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel911 View Post
If we were still hunter gathers meat eating would not be an issue due to the life style using up lots of calories and what meat that is to be had being lean.


Using up calories? I don't know; the nearest dairy farms in my neck of the woods are just a few miles away and the pastures usually bound some quiet dirt road. Pull up, lay the rifle across the hood of my Explorer, pop Elsie one in the head...
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 06-20-2017, 07:29 PM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
I can only imagine that hunter/gatherers would be some tough critters. Supposedly the Comanche were seriously tough fighters. I read one story where someone said they had seen 1000 Comanche warriors on horseback. A Texas ranger said, that's impossible, 1000 Comanche warriors on horseback would take Washington DC.

They were also some seriously brutal captors. Whew, horror stories on torture.
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 06-21-2017, 12:25 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,346
I like blueberries.

I eat a lot of the dark chocolate covered ones sold by Dove.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 06-21-2017, 01:27 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Northwest Indiana
Posts: 4,262
Quote:
Originally Posted by P.C. View Post
Using up calories? I don't know; the nearest dairy farms in my neck of the woods are just a few miles away and the pastures usually bound some quiet dirt road. Pull up, lay the rifle across the hood of my Explorer, pop Elsie one in the head...
Wow that is real brave. I doubt you would get away with that more than two times.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 06-21-2017, 02:29 AM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
Quote:
Originally Posted by sloride View Post
Wow that is real brave. I doubt you would get away with that more than two times.
Earth to sloride ...
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 06-21-2017, 08:30 AM
Botnst's Avatar
What knockers!
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 25,365
Cattle rustling is making a comeback. Calf prices around here are $600 and up for weanlings. Rustlers pull small stock trailers into pastures at night and seal a half dozen head. Drive to auction barns a half-day drive away and sell them next morning then disappear before brand inspectors can catch them. A few have been caught and well advertised prosecutions.

Rustling is like construction site theft. Happens way more than reported.
__________________
'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility at the other'
- Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 06-21-2017, 12:24 PM
cmac2012's Avatar
Renaissance Dude
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 9,120
P.C., we're on to you. First we'll find your front loader and the blood stained chains and hooks, then examine the ad hoc slaughterhouse in your garage. Then we'll notify the mods.
__________________
cmac

1986 300SDL, 305K
1987 BMW 325i, 440K
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 06-21-2017, 09:06 PM
panZZer's Avatar
The SuperSport
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benzasaurus View Post
How could he not be?


Also not a vegetarian, so I'm not sure where that leaves us. But I'm getting strong reducetarian vibes from people in the thread. Is that the general consensus? Less meat/meat production would be an ethical good?

eta: because I'm avoiding work by reading dick jokes:
“John, let me make one thing clear,” Jim said, cutting me off in his most stern, evangelical voice. “Every man is blessed with his gifts from the Lord. One of mine happens to be a penis large enough that, if it had a penis of its own, my penis’ penis would be larger than your penis.”.....
..."**** all of you,” John retorted. “You don’t even exist. We’re all just a figment of my cock’s imagination.”
― David Wong, John Dies at the End
Hey Dina, them black angus's taste purty good ground up into burgers, im a serious carnivore .


all that
plaNTLIVE STUFF IS WHAT FOOD EATS.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2011 Pelican Parts - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page