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Old 06-23-2017, 12:24 PM
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I've never eaten raccoon or opossum. In-laws tell me coon is sort of porkish--its an omnivore so I guess that makes sense. Years ago when I was doodlebugging in east Texas I stopped at a general store for an RC and a Moonpie. Noticed a sign over the deep freeze that said, "Raccoon $1.75". I had to look. They were whole animals, dressed and skinned. Fur on one paw. "Why do you leave fur on one paw", I asked? "So customers know it ain't a cat or possum".

Guess they had the stray cat problem under control, too.
There was a possum coming round here for a while that stank worse than a skunk. I can only guess he tried to kill and eat one or actually did. They are some rough looking animals, cutting one up and eating it is not a beckoning thing but then there is that line that Paul Newman uttered in that movie where he was a white raised by Indians - he was responding to a high society white woman on a stage coach who was sneering about Indians eating dogs:

"You ever been hungry lady? I don't mean ready for dinner hungry, I mean hungry?"

Pigs are not especially genteel looking critters either and I'm about to eat a portion of one of those.
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Old 06-23-2017, 12:34 PM
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Exactly right. When Mrs B & I were back-to-the-land, over educated hippies we had laying hens, bought straight run so we had an excess of cockerels. I slaughrter them about once a week until we were down to one rooster and 15 hens. When the hens reached "henopause" (about 2 years) I began slaughtering then as the new pullets started laying. We needed the protein and could hardly afford chicken feed.

Now we have a hen retirement home. More disposable income gives us the luxury of compassion for the old girls. But let me get hungry.... Chicken gumbo!
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Old 06-24-2017, 12:40 PM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/the-economic-case-for-worldwide-vegetarianism/475524/

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jun/07/meatonomics-david-robinson-simon-everything-i-envision-for-meat-has-happened-with-tobacco

"The figures Simon puts forward are so big as to defy comprehension: he says the externalised cost of America’s animal food system is US$414bn annually. Three-quarters of that is expenditure on healthcare relating to the “epidemics” of obesity, diabetes and heart disease that Simon says are driven by high rates of consumption of meat and dairy."

We have five people visiting us this week, 3/5 are vegetarian or vegan (two parents, three kids). So I've been thinking about these articles a fair bit. I've also been losing my taste for meat since moving to our new country. First, we had to save money for a while, but then also they don't know how to make burgers here at all. I asked in a fancy burger place what percentage fat was in the meat and they told me it varies from 2-5%. I ascribe to the 15% club. Excluding burgers, I'm not a big fan of red meat and I eat fish in pre-made sandwiches and that's about it. I've even stopped cooking with pancetta as much since winter is over (let's be clear: pancetta is more of a spice than a meat dish ).

Anyway, curious about what other people make of these arguments? Will economic reasons push the world toward eating less meat? Do you drift toward eating more or less meat if left to your own devices?
I did not read the links but it's already clear to me that not eating meat will help many people and be better for society.
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Old 06-24-2017, 02:32 PM
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I think that's a bit over-simplified. Much of our meat eating/livestock raising is ill considered and not even that healthy for us but I think we could eat meat, if quite a bit less of it and raised different, and do well.

It's a tad shocking to me that Columbia/Snake River salmon could become functionally extinct in our lifetime. Just an awesome protein source and it ran itself for millennia. Until we mucked up the river.
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most places the salmon are fished out.
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Old 06-24-2017, 03:47 PM
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To steal from Bill Clinton's campaign, "It's the human population, stupid."
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Smoking burgers on the pellet grill tonight. Burgers raised and harvested about a hundred yards from where they'll be consumed.
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Old 06-24-2017, 08:19 PM
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To steal from Bill Clinton's campaign, "It's the human population, stupid."
Yup. Unlikely that we as a species are going to be tearing down the Columbia River dams anytime soon. What, and lose all that cheap electricity and those shipping channels?

Hard to imagine but there used to be rapids of a sort on the Columbia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascades_Rapids
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Smoking burgers on the pellet grill tonight. Burgers raised and harvested about a hundred yards from where they'll be consumed.
Are those special pellets designed for food?
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:15 PM
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Are those special pellets designed for food?
Yep, they aren't the same as fuel pellets. They're made from particular hardwoods. You can buy Hickory, Pecan, Cherry and lots of others. I like Mesquite and Pecan mixed for most things. Cherry is great for salmon.
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Cherry is great for camel toes. But rarely tasted.
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There was a possum coming round here for a while that stank worse than a skunk. I can only guess he tried to kill and eat one or actually did. They are some rough looking animals, cutting one up and eating it is not a beckoning thing but then there is that line that Paul Newman uttered in that movie where he was a white raised by Indians - he was responding to a high society white woman on a stage coach who was sneering about Indians eating dogs:

"You ever been hungry lady? I don't mean ready for dinner hungry, I mean hungry?"

Pigs are not especially genteel looking critters either and I'm about to eat a portion of one of those.


It musta been from Okielahoma.
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Said he was a friend of yours actually.
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Meat is simply a conveniently packaged source of protein. Plants are less so.

The best solution is to lower the birth rate everywhere to below replacement. Over time it solves food problems, fuel problems, habitat problems, pollution problems, lebensraum, resource problems, etc.

It also reduces the chances of war. If you have no soldiers, who will fight?
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