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GermanStar · #1 11-30-2004, 10:54 AM

PM - Tuesday, 30 November , 2004 18:39:18
Reporter: Peter Lloyd

MARK COLVIN: The World Health Organisation has issued a dire prediction that the bird flu virus could kill up to 100 million people around the world.

It's a significant rise in the agency's estimates of the number of deaths that could result if bird flu were to mutate into an uncontrollable form of human influenza.

Yet there are others who believe the WHO's numbers are still a staggering underestimate.

South East Asia Correspondent Peter Lloyd reports.

PETER LLOYD: So far, bird flu has killed more people in Thailand and Vietnam than anywhere else. There have been 44 confirmed cases of the H5 N1 strain in both countries. Of that number, 32 patients have died. That's a staggering mortality rate of 72.7 per cent. Compare that to SARS, which had a mortality rate of about 15 per cent.

The WHO's Peter Cordingley is sounding the alarm.

PETER CORDINGLEY: WHO's thinking is that if this pandemic does take place, there will be at least two million to seven million dead people. That's a cautious number that we get from a reliable American institution.

There are others who are no less reliable who look at world populations. They look at globalisation, they look at the pathogenicity of this virus, and they have estimated up to 100 million. That's not a number we're using, but it's a number that's in that back of our minds.

PETER LLOYD: Is it the high mortality rate that leads to these estimates?

PETER CORDINGLEY: Yes. This virus quite clearly, as far as we know at this stage, kills most people that it infects.

PETER LLOYD: But to some extent isn't the estimate a little alarmist when you consider that even when human to human transmission is likely to have occurred even here in Thailand, there was no further transmission?

PETER CORDINGLEY: Yeah, well this is exactly where we are at the moment, is that this virus has showed very little ability in the first place to jump from chickens to humans.

120 million chickens have either died or been killed as a precaution and you know, we have three or four dozen human cases. So quite clearly, this virus cannot easily jump from humans, and there is no evidence at this stage, firm evidence, that it can move from human to humans.

We do have a couple of cases, one in Vietnam and one in Thailand that are very, very suspect. There's no evidence of poultry circumstances surrounding these two cases. But even if that's true, quite clearly, there's not yet established the ability to jump from human to human.

PETER LLOYD: So what sort of recommendations is the WHO making to governments about how they should prepare for such a catastrophe?

PETER CORDINGLEY: Well, the first thing we tell them is, if there is a pandemic, don't count on a vaccine because first of all, there won't be one for at least six months. And secondly, even if there is one in large numbers after six months, you will not be able to immunise everybody. And if everybody is not immunised then quite clearly, this virus can slip through.

Everybody in the world has to be immunised to stop it and you can see that's just not realistic. So, they should a) stock up on anti-virals. Theses are the core anti-flu drugs that people use every year. It will not stop this virus, we don't think, but it might make the medical impact of this virus less serious.

The second thing they have to do is to scale up their public health systems. There's going to be a lot of sick people, hospitals are going to be overwhelmed. Isolation wards need now, to be identified and put in place. Doctors and nurses have to be trained in the right reactions.

And the third advice is of course, there is going to be large scale absenteeism from the workplace. These are the things that they should think about now, not when the pandemic starts, if it does start.

MARK COLVIN: The World Health Organisation's Peter Cordingley with our South-East Asia Correspondent Peter Lloyd.

GermanStar · #2 11-30-2004, 12:32 PM

Were you associating with any poultry in Thailand?

boneheaddoctor · #3 11-30-2004, 12:42 PM

Bird flu is an Aviary STD.....................

Botnst · #4 11-30-2004, 02:12 PM

Who?

WHO's on first.

http://www.abbottandcostello.net/

KirkVining · #5 11-30-2004, 02:30 PM

Still a penny-ante epidemic. The Black Death of the 1340's killed 25% to 30% of mankind, which would be about 1.5 billion people by today's standards.

shane · #6 11-30-2004, 02:37 PM

And now for our next Super-Extra-Outrageously-Sensationalized news topic, we will discuss how eating in general can be bad for your health. Stop eating now. Quick before you get infected. Stay tuned! This is an exclusive/developing story that you can only get right here! Etc., etc., etc...

el presidente · #7 11-30-2004, 05:18 PM

Youze guys are too funny!

KirkVining · #8 12-01-2004, 02:04 AM

Personally, I think we are about due for one on the scale of The Plague. Mother Nature seems to have a way of dealing with over population every 800 years or so. I believe in one book I read it said it took Europe 400 years to get back to the same population levels as the 1300's. Prior to that there was another devasting plague that struck Rome and Constantinople in the late 400's that was part of the reason that Rome fell. Since sanitation was so lousy, they were easy pickings for a rat-borne disease. Influeza is the perfect disease for the modern age, it travels via the air along transportaion routes - trains, airline terminals, buses, all help spread it rapidly. Our current world society is a setup for the still-mysterious flu that struck in 1918.

mikemover · #9 12-01-2004, 02:09 AM

I've never had the flu, ever. Never had the vaccine either. I don't understand what all the fuss is about in recent years.

Mike

KirkVining · #10 12-01-2004, 02:19 AM

Because flu in its most virulent form, which hasn't been seen in the US in a long time, is so damn deadly, and unlike other diseases, it seems to take the healthy and strong in even greater numbers then the very young or very old and the weak. Also, because it is a virus rather than a bacteria like The Plague, it is much harder to vaccinate against and mutates and builds immunities faster, and even more so, because it spreads airborne without requiring any direct contact with another person to catch it. Altho we haven't seen one, scientists know the odds of a Super Flu bug appearing are not bad at all, and that so far we have just been lucky. They are just waiting for the Big One.

mikemover · #11 12-01-2004, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

Because flu in its most virulent form, which hasn't been seen in the US in a long time, is so damn deadly, and unlike other diseases, it seems to take the healthy and strong in even greater numbers then the very young or very old and the weak. Also, because it is a virus rather than a bacteria like The Plague, it is much harder to vaccinate against and mutates and builds immunities faster, and even more so, because it spreads airborne without requiring any direct contact with another person to catch it. Altho we haven't seen one, scientists know the odds of a Super Flu bug appearing are not bad at all, and that so far we have just been lucky. They are just waiting for the Big One.

Hmmm...

I guess all of my years spent being nearly obsessive/compulsive about cleanliness...things such as washing my hands repeatedly, having minimal contact with objects like door handles, faucets, handrails, etc. in public places....has paid off. I think such behavior, along with good diet/exercise habits, can prevent a LOT of illnesses. I'll be sure to continue my OCD behavior.

Mike

shane · #12 12-01-2004, 02:38 AM

Doom and gloom, might as well get a broom. Erp, slurp, slop, can't recover so we all just drop. Nevermind the grim reaper, bring up the mop.

KirkVining · #13 12-01-2004, 02:39 AM

That'll help a little, but flu spreads mostly as an aerosol. People who have the flu breathing the same air you do. The best way to survive a flu epidemic is to lock yourself in a room.

mikemover · #14 12-01-2004, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

That'll help a little, but flu spreads mostly as an aerosol. People who have the flu breathing the same air you do. The best way to survive a flu epidemic is to lock yourself in a room.

Or don't breathe in public.

Mike

LK1 · #15 12-01-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

That'll help a little, but flu spreads mostly as an aerosol. People who have the flu breathing the same air you do. The best way to survive a flu epidemic is to lock yourself in a room.

I would prefer to lock everyone else in a room.