Get a traffic attorney in the jurisdiction where you got the ticket. They are relatively cheap. The attorney will be able to get you several options and most likely keep the ticket off your record. 22 mph over is not that bad. I once got a 121mph in a 55mph that never, ever touched my record, but it did cost around $700.00 to disappear.

Now to all the ridiculous people who say you deserve what you get, get a life. Driver inattention is the number one cause of accidents, not speeding. Just another example of american self-righteous bung hole idiots.

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Note that I am not necessarily in disagreement, but they do call it a driver's LICENSE. That totally implies that driving is a privelege bestowed by the state. A license is permission to drive.

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Nope, I beat a 77 in a 50 ticket for the city of Westlake. No additional charge, just the amount over, and the fine. I of course plead not guilty, and demanded a jury trial. I got a notice in the mail 10 months later, stating that they dismissed the ticket outright.

I've very much gotten to the point where I will challenge any future invitations by the various collection agency to part with my money. They truly are after only those, who will pay the fine without question. I am 3 for 3 since starting this, two of my own, and one as a "witness" for a friend.

The one for the friend was for a school zone in the town of Roanoke. They have deliberately offset the two directions school zone speed limit warning lights, to turn on and off a few minutes apart. They nail a couple of victims every day. I've witnessed this "malfunction" personally. When I went in to testify on my friends behalf, and told them that I would point this problem out, they couldn't tear up the ticket fast enough. They were real adimate about keeping this problem hush hush as well.

One warning for anyone unfortunate enough to deal with the Roanoke city moffia. Their court IS a kangaroo court, and they are downright bold in their "highly questionable" activiites.

Hey, those liscense were issued without the documentation required in VA.....blame the person behind the counter taking bribes........THey arrestd a lot of them.....at several DMV offices.......

VA is a LOT harder to get a liscense even for people who belong here........

It should have been a lot harder I agree......and there are far easier states than here.

That could have happened in lots of other states......Particularly those states and people who think illegal aliens should be issed Licenses.

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Could you please point to us, the state or constitutional amendment that gives us this "right?"

Look at the drivers instruction book, available for free at any drivers license office. It is clearly stated that driving is a priveledge, and not a right.

It is why you are issued a license, fined and ticketed for breaking the law, and can be subject to having it revoked for habitual, or serious offenses.

Well sure there is the DMV handbook, but I'm going to go with the US Constitution here

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Constitution doesn't "give" us rights, we the people "give" rights to the government.

A privledge is something that can be given or taken away on a whim. You can give your kid the privledge of staying up past his bedtime. or not. He has no right.

But imagine if you went down to the DMV to get a license and they said no. No reason, just no. If it's a privledge they can do that. That's why your licence cannot be taken without due process of law. It's a right, they can regulate and licence it but they can't just arbitrarily give or take that right away.

Another option, if its not too late, is to go to court and see what you can get. Most judges (at least Wisconsin and Illinois) will adjust it to just under a threshhold but keep the fine the same 22 over to 19 over, 16 over to 14 over. Its all about the $$$ and nothing else in speeding, except in school zones, you get the gas chamber for speeding in school zones.
If you get real lucky they will even reclassify as a non moving violation.
The key is go to court, it is worth the unpaid day off work.
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Those chump ass Tarrant County towns are the worst. The one I hate is West Worth Village in west Ft. Worth on 183. They have the lights in front of the Air Base timed to do a snap yellow to red and they are waiting there like vultures. They also seem to specialize in pulling over young kids and poor people, which pisses me off. They'll pull em over for doing a mile or two over the limit, in the hopes of a dope bust - it looks like Baghdad along the road there. Benbrook, in south Ft. Worth is just as bad - they essentially are runnning a 24/7 police checkpoint at the I-20 exit.

PM me for assistance on your case.

I think you have an innacurate view of your rights. There is NOTHING on the books that states that you MUST be given a drivers license. If you fail any part of the testing procedure, you don't get a license. If you abuse the license, it can be revoked. You are given due process because you are constitutionally guranteed the right to it. IMO, they ARE given away far too readily. You CANNOT however, be denied the right to vote, own a firearm, speak critically of our government, practice religion, etc...

Of course you can, if your convicted of a felony many states take away your right to vote or own a firearm. Your right to practice your religion and free speach are subject to time, place and manner restrictions. If you want to hold a public assembly to pray and denounce the government you can be required to get a permit, which is a license.

Yur right that there is nothing on the books that says you must be given a license, that I know of, because it's inconcievable that the DMV will just turn you away, however there is plenty on the books that says that your license can not be taken away without due process of law. As in the govenrment shall not deprive you of life, liberty or property without due process of law.

A DL, like other rights can be regulated but because it's regulated doesn't mean its a privilige.

Actually, they aren't the worst I've been in. The town of Boyd, in Wise County, is even worse about how they enforce their speed laws. Where the "line of enforcement" is in regards to changes in posted speed limits, depends on how low the coffers are. I was once pulled over for beginning to accelerate to a higher posted limit. I was in plain view of the 45mph sign, and was lit up for speeding in a 35 zone. On that day, I was told that the higher limit didn't begin, untill I passed the sign. I made it a point then, that I disagreed with the assessment, and was let off with a warning. A few months ago, the V1 started squaking an instant on Ka warning against the traffic ahead. Sure enough, the Boyd PD was sitting RIGHT AT the 45 sign, looking to bust anyone who dared to be over that speed prior to crossing their "imaginary line." Being the ******* that I am, I deliberately slowed to 35, in his "45 zone", and pulled at least 30 cars through his trap. Yes, I got the ulitmate in disgusted looks from the revenuer.

Yes, you may have to get a permit to have a protest. The sole reason for this, is to insure proper security, if the event gets out of hand, and to have a means of legal reprisal if it does. However, I can state "Bush is a monkeyfaced moron" at the end of every one of my posts till the day that I die, and I cannot be punished for it. We are also free to openly criticise the actions of our government without fear of being prosecuted for it. This means, that regardless of the fact that how much Kirk, for example, hates the very essence of the existance of President Bush, the Republican party cannot throw him in prison for speaking out against his policies, and management of his job as commander and chief. There are no laws in the books that says "religion will only be allowed to be practiced on Sunday mornings." You are free to practice whatever faith suits your desires, and it's up to you to balance the religious part of your life, with the rest. A drivers license is not a life necessity, nor does not having one deny you liberty, or the right to own property. If you create a lifestyle, where that license becomes a necessity to YOU, than YOU are responsible to take the proper measures to keep it.

This is also very different from owning a firearm. The very existance of that right in our constitution, keeps our government from turning on its citizens. One doesn't have to dig very far into the history books to see what happens when citizens become subjects to their government.

Again, there are time place and manner restrictions but that doesn't make them any less of a right. For example, during the Republican convention they had protest zones. You had your right to free speech, you just had to do it in a designated area.

A DL is the same, it's regulatory, but it's still a right. The gov wants to ensure that you know how to drive before you exercise that right, and they can take the right away, just like they can take your right to vote away, if you commit a crime but it's still a right.

The word privilige is not found in the Constitution.

You will find no amendment in the Constitution, that states that you have the right to drive either.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try to spin this, you will not convince me that driving is a right, when it's clearly written out in any state driving manual, that it is a privledge. After sitting in traffic, due to yet another major collision on hwy 114 tonight, IMO, it's a priveledge that is far too freely given, and not revoked agressively enough.