9/11 warning was ignored on Clintons watch - Page 3

mzsmbs · #31 06-11-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Clinton was offered directly from Sudan....He admitted this in an interview after he was out of office.....The videotaped interview was shown on Fox news more than a few times........

linky?

Botnst · #32 06-11-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mzsmbs

mm, i am saying that because i see news everyday and see bloodshed escalating in Irq... terrrorism is growing even though powers to be would like us to think otherwise..

If it is 'over there' and not 'over here', it's a positive.

Whenever those guys get caught and stuck in an Egyptian or Jordanian jail for several weeks before transfer to Gitmo, I say, hooray!.

the picture of that latest Al Queda goof with knots all over his head was great. Someday I'm sure he'll have a happy home at Gitmo where he can sit in a cage and read the Khoran for say, fifty years. He oughtta be pretty knowledgeable about his God by then. He'll need it.

It cheers me immeasurably to hear of the bad guys dying at a rate of about 60:1. I'd like to up that ratio to 10,000:1. With due dilligence and continued advances in materiale, strategy, and tactics, I'll bet we get to 100:1. That's a great goal.

The chances of formation of a democratic Iraq seem brighter now than a month ago. It is by no means assured. But as long as advances occur, the future looks brighter.

Wouldn't it be cool to have democracy come to the arab world, Finally?

mzsmbs · #33 06-11-2005, 12:13 PM

it would be kool, bot, but i really don't see the situation there through those rosy glasses of yours.. personally i think things are starting to look worse there right now, not better.. still hoping for good outcome though..

boneheaddoctor · #34 06-11-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mzsmbs

linky?

I saw it on tV not the internet....I am sure its on the net too, but I am looking for it there.

boneheaddoctor · #35 06-11-2005, 02:10 PM

I refer you to paragraph 3 of footnote 7, on page 480 of The 9/11 Commission Report:

"President Clinton, in a February 2002 speech to the Long Island Association, said that the United States did not accept a Sudanese offer and take Bin Laden because there was no indictment. President Clinton speech to the Long Island Association, Feb. 15, 2002 (videotape of speech). But the President told us that he had "misspoken" and was, wrongly, recounting a number of press stories he had read. After reviewing this matter in preparation for his Commission meeting, President Clinton told us that Sudan never offered to turn Bin Laden over to the United States. President Clinton meeting (Apr. 8, 2004). Berger told us he saw no chance that Sudan would have handed Bin Laden over and also noted that in 1996, the U.S. government still did not know of any al-Qaeda attacks on U.S. citizens. Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004)."

The footnote goes on to say:

"Alleged Sudanese offers to cooperate on counterterrorism have been the subject of much recent controversy. After repeatedly demanding that Sudan stop supporting terrorist groups, in 1993 the U.S. government designated the country a state sponsor of terrorism. Diplomatic discussions continued but had little impact on Sudanese support for terrorism or on other issues, such as human rights. In the fall of 1995, the United States conducted a Sudan policy review and, supported by a vocal segment of Congress, the White House sought to pressure and isolate the Sudanese. Susan Rice interview (Jan. 9, 2004)."

Still looking for links of the actual video.....

boneheaddoctor · #36 06-11-2005, 02:18 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/interrogatory091103b.asp

Article in the National review...excellent article but longer than I am willing to post directly.

And another from a clinton Friendly news source....CNN

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/02/ret.terror.sudan/

And another reffering to the Peter Jennings interview...

http://carolliebau.blogspot.com/2004/11/peter-jennings-interview-with-bill.html

boneheaddoctor · #37 06-11-2005, 02:28 PM

Amnesty International aided one 9/11 Plotter to escape....

and for you who don't know the leaders of Amnesty international also work in the ACLU.

Thursday, June 9, 2005 10:33 p.m. EDT
Amnesty Int'l Aided 9/11 Plotter

The human rights group Amnesty International - which accuses America of running a "gulag" at Guantanamo Bay - apparently aided in the escape of a key al-Qaida member who's suspected of helping plan the 9/11 attacks.

Just two months after the World Trade Center was destroyed, Amnesty issued one of its "URGENT ACTION" reports on behalf of Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, who was then being detained by Jordanian security forces in connection with a planning session for the 9/11 attacks.

Story Follows Below

According to the Wall Street Journal, Amnesty complained that Shakir was being held in "incommunicado detention and is at risk of torture or ill-treatment." Saddam Hussein - the only Mideast leader to publicly praise the 9/11 attacks - also weighed in on Shakir's behalf.
"Pressure from Amnesty and Saddam Hussein worked," the Journal said. "Mr. Shakir was released and hasn't been seen since."

Shakir was present at a January 2000 al-Qaida summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where the 9/11 plot was reviewed. Two of the actual 9/11 hijackers were also at the same meeting.

When he was arrested in Qatar not long after the 9/11 attacks, Shakir had telephone numbers for the safe houses of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.

But for the intervention of Amnesty International, Shakir might be in Guantanamo today - undergoing grilling by U.S. interrogators about al-Qaida's plans for the next 9/11.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/9/223508.shtml

boneheaddoctor · #38 06-11-2005, 02:30 PM

Not directly related but an FYI for good reading...Stuff the cult of Clinton would rather be forgotten.

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Clinton_Scandals.shtml

boneheaddoctor · #39 06-11-2005, 02:36 PM

Monday, Sept. 13, 2004 3:39 p.m. EDT
Flashback: Rather Nixed Tape of Clinton on bin Laden

Last week wasn't the first time one-time journalist Dan Rather tried to foist bogus evidence on his "60 Minutes" audience in a bid to boost his favorite Democrat.

Just three months ago, Rather allowed ex-President Bill Clinton to get away with claiming he had no knowledge of a 1996 offer from Sudan to have Osama bin Laden arrested – even after his producers had been warned that Clinton was on tape admitting the offer was real.

Story Continues Below

Rather had been chosen by Clinton for the rollout interview of his presidential memoir, "My Life," so the former newsman wasn't too anxious to see his exclusive go south by pressing his guest on uncomfortable topics like the bin Laden blunder.
Rather introduced the topic in a voice-over:

"President Clinton says he was, quote, 'obsessed' with bin Laden during his time in office and denies he refused opportunities to capture the al-Qaida leader."

Then "60 Minutes" cut to Clinton:

"To the best of my knowledge, it is not true that we were ever offered him by the Sudanese, even though they later claimed it. I think it's total bull."

That's not what Mr. Clinton claimed two years earlier, comments to which Rather and his team were alerted three days before they allowed the ex-president to fib on "60 Minutes."

"We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again," the ex-president told a Long Island business group in February 2002.

"They released [bin Laden]. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

When offered a recording of Clinton contradicting the account he gave Rather before the interview was aired, a "60 Minutes" producer told NewsMax: Thanks, but no thanks. Instead, the once-respected newsman gave his audience information he had reason to believe was false.

Three weeks later, CNN's Christiane Amanpour had the courage to ask Clinton the question Rather would not.

AMANPOUR: Sometime in 1996, or - you spoke to a group of people in Long Island about this whole controversial issue of Sudan.

CLINTON: Actually, it was 2001. [In fact, it was 2002.]

AMANPOUR: OK. Was Sudan asked to extradite him? Did you miss the opportunity to have him extradited?

CLINTON: And I mis - what I said there was wrong. What I said was in error. I went back now and did all this research from my book. And I'd said that we were told we couldn't hold him, implying that we had a chance to get him, but we didn't. That's not factually accurate. [End of Excerpt]

No wonder Dan Rather didn't want to ask.

To hear the recording Dan Rather pretended not to know about, Click Here.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/13/154907.shtml there is a audio file of the interview about OBL and Sudan at the bottom of this page...I can not link to it directly....

Funny how Clinton is backpeddling to conform to the DNC request to pretend it never happened......

boneheaddoctor · #40 06-11-2005, 02:43 PM

Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:13 a.m. EDT
CBS Airs New Footage of Clinton Denying bin Laden Offer

In an effort to counter the growing perception that President Clinton forfeited America's best chance to arrest Osama bin Laden before the 9/11 attacks, "CBS Evening News" anchorman Dan Rather aired new footage Monday night of Clinton strenuously denying that the government of Sudan ever offered to extradite the al-Qaida mastermind.

In a segment initially edited out of Sunday night's "60 Minutes" broadcast, Clinton tells Rather: "To the best of my knowledge it is not true that we were ever offered [bin Laden] by the Sudanese, even though they later claimed it. I think it's total bull."

Story Continues Below

In more remarks deleted from the original broadcast, the ex-president claimed:
"Mr. Absurabi, the head of the Sudanese government, was a buddy of bin Laden's. They were business partners together. There was no way in the wide world this guy who was in business with bin Laden in Sudan was going to give him up to us."

During Sunday night's telecast, the portion of Clinton's comments on the Sudanese offer aired by CBS was far more abbreviated.

"I don't believe that is true," he said. "There was a story, which is factually inaccurate, that the Sudanese offered bin Laden to us. As far as I know, there is not a shred of evidence of that."

The Clinton-CBS publicity machine ratcheted up denials about the Sudanese offer after talk radio stations from coast to coast aired audiotape on Monday of a February 2002 speech in which Clinton admitted that Sudan had indeed offered him bin Laden, but that he had turned the offer down.

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America," the ex-president explained, in comments recorded exclusively by NewsMax.com.

Clinton's characterization of the Sudanese story as "bull" was first reported Thursday by the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz, based on his interview with Rather.

But "60 Minutes" spokesman Kevin Tedesco insisted to NewsMax later in the day that Clinton never uttered the word "bull," explaining instead that Rather had attributed the word to Mr. Clinton erroneously.

"Clinton never used the word 'bull.' That was Dan Rather's word. Clinton never said that," Tedesco said.

"60 Minutes" declined NewsMax.com's offer to share its recording of Clinton admitting he had turned down the Sudanese offer, and instead let Clinton's denial stand unchallenged.

In a March staff report issued by the Sept. 11 Commission, commission investigators said that every Sudanese official interviewed about the bin Laden offer confirmed the story, while every Clinton official they spoke to denied it.

In his own April 9 interview with the Commission, Clinton said he'd been "misquoted" in reports claiming that he had confirmed the bin Laden offer.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said two days later that at the time of Clinton's interrogation, he was unaware that staffers had obtained a videotape of Clinton's 2002 speech where he detailed the Sudanese offer.

Clinton's expanded denials were posted to the CBS News Web site after Monday's "CBS Evening News" broadcast.

Listen to the recording that was too hot to handle for "60 Minutes" - along with Hillary's denial of the bin Laden offer.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/22/11958.shtml

Link at bottom of page....with audio file that can't be linked directly.

boneheaddoctor · #41 06-11-2005, 02:45 PM

Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:10 p.m. EDT
Clinton: No Evidence I Passed Up bin Laden Offer

Ex-president Bill Clinton insisted to "60 Minutes" on Sunday that there's no evidence he turned down an offer from Sudan to have Osama bin Laden arrested in 1996, even though he admitted two years ago that he had indeed spurned such an offer.

Asked about the accusation by 9/11 Commission member Bob Kerrey that he "let pass opportunities to arrest or kill the al Qaida leadership," Clinton told CBS's Dan Rather, "I don't believe that is true."

Story Continues Below

Without any prompting from Rather, Clinton zeroed in on the Sudan episode specifically.
Swallowing with a determined nervousness before he began, the ex-president insisted:

"There was a story, which is factually inaccurate, that the Sudanese offered bin Laden to us. As far as I know, there is not a shred of evidence of that."

In fact, the evidence of such an offer includes Clinton's own admission to a New York business group on Feb. 15, 2002.

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton told the Long Island Association. "He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again.

"They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

Last Thursday, NewsMax.com offered "60 Minutes" its exclusive recording of Clinton's bin Laden admission.

After initially expressing interest in obtaining a videotape of the remarks - filmed by the Long Island Association but never before shown in public - a "60 Minutes" spokesman said producers thought there was little difference between what Clinton told Rather and his earlier comments.

"Clinton didn't say Sudan had offered to arrest bin Laden, did he?" the spokesman argued.

During Sunday night's broadcast, Mr. Rather made no mention that Clinton had earlier admitted to turning down the Sudanese offer.

In its June issue, Vanity Fair magazine called Clinton's failure to accept the Sudanese offer "the most devastating" charge against him, saying it was also "the hardest charge to dismiss" because of Newsmax.com's recording.

Listen to the recording that was too hot to handle for "60 Minutes."

boneheaddoctor · #42 06-11-2005, 02:49 PM

CBS has aired it too.............Thursday, June 17, 2004 5:48 p.m. EDT
'60 Minutes': Dan Rather Misquoted Clinton on Bin Laden

A CBS spokesman now insists that "60 Minutes" star Dan Rather misquoted ex-President Bill Clinton in a report in Thursday's Washington Post, where Rather described Clinton's reaction to reports he turned down Sudan's offer to have Osama bin Laden extradited to the U.S.

Mr. Rather detailed Clinton's response to the Post's Howard Kurtz, who quoted the CBS newsman as saying:

"On the accusation that he had opportunities to get Osama bin Laden, had opportunities to have him delivered by the Sudanese, [Clinton] said, 'absolutely, flatly untrue,' describing it as 'bull.' "

But a CBS spokesman insisted to NewsMax late Thursday, "Clinton never used the word 'bull.' That was Dan Rather's word. Clinton never said that."

When asked what Clinton did say, the spokesman explained that his account of the Sudanese offer was not "substantially different" from remarks he made to a Long Island business group in 2002.

In those comments, the ex-president admitted turning the Sudanese offer down.

"We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again," Clinton explained in the Feb. 15, 2002 speech.

"They released [bin Laden]. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America."

The CBS spokesman disagreed, however, that Clinton's remarks constituted an admission that Sudan had actually offered to take the 9/11 mastermind into custody - or hand him over to the U.S.

"He didn't say Sudan had offered to arrest bin Laden, did he?" the spokesman argued. When asked if he would review the quote word-for-word with NewsMax, the spokesman bristled, saying, "I don't want to get into a semantical argument."

He explained that because Clinton's 2002 remarks were no different from what he told Mr. Rather, "60 Minutes" has decided not to air NewsMax.com's audiotape of Clinton's 2002 comment.

CBS did not retract other portions of Rather's account, including quotes of the ex-president calling reports he turned down the Sudanese offer "absolutely, flatly untrue."

It's not clear whether the network will air those quotes or avoid further controversy by editing out the topic altogether.

boneheaddoctor · #43 06-11-2005, 02:52 PM

Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:50 a.m. EDT
Clinton: Claims I Turned Down bin Laden are 'Bull'

In his interview with CBS newsman Dan Rather set for broadcast on Sunday, ex-President Bill Clinton flatly contradicts his earlier recorded confession that Sudan offered to arrest Osama bin Laden and hand him over to the U.S., calling reports of such an offer "bull."

"On the accusation that he had opportunities to get Osama bin Laden, had opportunities to have him delivered by the Sudanese, he said, 'absolutely, flatly untrue,' describing it as 'bull,'" Rather tells the Washington Post on Thursday.

In February 2002, however, Mr. Clinton clearly admitted that the Sudanese offer had indeed taken place. And that he turned it down.

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton told the Long Island Association on Feb. 15, 2002.

"He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again.

"They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

"So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan."

On Thursday morning, NewsMax.com offered CBS's "60 Minutes" a copy of its exclusive recording of Clinton's remarks.

But it's not clear whether the network will be willing to embarrass the ex-president by airing smoking-gun proof that his current claims about the bin Laden offer are false.

Listen to NewsMax.com's exclusive recording of Bill Clinton admitting that he let bin Laden go free.

and again the audio of this interview is at the bottom of this page. for those who deny it exists...sorry I can't link the file directly.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/17/105341.shtml

boneheaddoctor · #44 06-11-2005, 02:55 PM

Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:28 p.m. EDT
Lehman: 9/11 Commission Eyeing Secret Clinton Video

The independent commission investigating the 9/11 attacks has examined a secret videotape of ex-President Clinton discussing an offer from Sudan to have Osama bin Laden arrested five years before the 9/11 attacks, former Navy Secretary and 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman revealed on Tuesday.

Asked if the never-before-seen video confirms that Clinton admitted turning the offer down, Lehman told radio host Sean Hannity, "Well, that is what he said."

While the video of Clinton's bombshell remarks, delivered to the Long Island Association in February 2002, had never been released prior to a request from the 9/11 Commission, NewsMax.com's exclusive audiotape shows the ex-president explaining:

"We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted to start dealing with us again. They released him. At the time, 1996, had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

Secretary Lehman said that when Clinton was interrogated about the comment during his April 8 testimony, his account was somewhat at odds with the version on the tape, saying, "It's not quite the way he described it."

Lehman explained that the former president attempted to give "a broader understanding of what he was talking about" in the February 2002 speech. Asked for specifics, Lehman told Hannity, "I can't go into it, but we will have the full story" in the final report due out in July.

At the time of Clinton's questioning, apparently he, along with at least some of the 9/11 Commissioners, were unaware that his 2002 comments had been recorded. According to 9/11 Commissioner, former Sen. Bob Kerry, Clinton called a transcript of his remarks "a misquote."

In April, LIA spokesman Gary Wojtas told NewsMax that he had turned the secret Clinton video over to the 9/11 Commission at their request the month before. In 2002, the LIA turned down requests for copies of the video from NBC News, the Fox News Channel and NewsMax.

Asked in April whether he would now make the tape public, Wojtas told NewsMax: "That's something we're waiting on right now - that's all I'll say on that. It's not that we won't do it. It's just something we need to wait on right now."

Wojtas did not return NewsMax's call last week seeking release of the videotape.

boneheaddoctor · #45 06-11-2005, 02:56 PM

Wonder how one files under the freedom of information act to get a copy of this video.......

I am still looking for a web link of the video version...

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