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Brian Carlton · #91 04-25-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

I use the buttons on the bottom right of the post blocks. For example, if you want to quote 4 posts, click on the "Icon button" for the first 3 posts and the "Quote button" for the 4th post which will open them all in one post reply window.

I don't believe you can quote multiple posts from different threads. Anybody try it?

kerry · #92 04-25-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"Taking the Webmaster's words at face value the clear and absolute reason for the discontinuation of the Open Discussion Forum is, was, and has been for more than a year and a half the incessant demands of many individuals who after voluntarily taking affirmative and deliberate actions to view and sometimes participate in "Open Discussion" that some other person (in this case a moderator) is responsible for protecting them from and ameliorating their self-inflicted hurt feelings and bruised egos. Any person who has ever contacted the moderator or Webmaster and objected to or complained about anything her/she/other saw or read in the "Open Discussion Forum" is personally and directly responsible for this sad turn of events. It is a true shame that the crybaby communications of these persons/frauds are not available for all to see and know. My bet is that many, who shouted the loudest, sniveled the most!
"someone must help me, I can't stand what I've done to myself (again and again)" is a malignant cancer that threatens to overwhelm the body of liberty for all."

"Semi-transparency!

"This change is made to make moderation more transparent and eliminate the ongoing questions of what's appropriate and what is not."

Only when the other half of the coin is visible can anything be understood!

With the same technology it should be a simple hop, skip, and a jump to institute a similar system to shine the light on the specific nature and extent of the complaints reported to moderators. Shouldn't it be known who the complainers are? Who complains the most-least? What is the ratio of valid vs. invalid complaints made by individuals? The time and effort moderators expend addressing individual complainers? Wouldn't this information all but eliminate the specter of "anonymous complaints" as the basis for issuing infractions? Shouldn't forum membership be aware when complainers and moderators are of like minds regarding an issue, position, or persuasion?

Surely this information is of at least equal value as the publication of offender information!

I'll leave it up to others to come up with an appropriate name for this type of information. Thanks and good luck!"

There should be a sticky posted at the head of the Open Discussion Forum title "The Crybaby Chronicles" every complaint received by moderators originating from the OD Forum should be listed as they are received, with the name of the author. This will form a registry of sorts or a documentary of those who cries what. Individuals can then have their own conduct juxtaposed to the conduct of others whom they object to, sort of a self energized hypocrite detector function. This would illuminate when individuals complain en masse gaming the "system" to the detriment of another. Forum members should know who is complaining about what, and then make an educated choice when posting in the forum. The present "system" anonymity rewards those who use complaints against others while at the same time shielding them from peer review and rebuke. No complainant should have a worry if their complaint is valid, if fact they can choose to view themselves as responsible for making the forum better for everyone and wear that badge with honor!?

We should have a 'Crybaby' rating next to the infractions rating. It should reduce the workload of the moderators.

Brian Carlton · #93 04-25-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"Taking the Webmaster's words at face value the clear and absolute reason for the discontinuation of the Open Discussion Forum is, was, and has been for more than a year and a half the incessant demands of many individuals who after voluntarily taking affirmative and deliberate actions to view and sometimes participate in "Open Discussion" that some other person (in this case a moderator) is responsible for protecting them from and ameliorating their self-inflicted hurt feelings and bruised egos. Any person who has ever contacted the moderator or Webmaster and objected to or complained about anything her/she/other saw or read in the "Open Discussion Forum" is personally and directly responsible for this sad turn of events. It is a true shame that the crybaby communications of these persons/frauds are not available for all to see and know. My bet is that many, who shouted the loudest, sniveled the most!
"someone must help me, I can't stand what I've done to myself (again and again)" is a malignant cancer that threatens to overwhelm the body of liberty for all."

"Semi-transparency!

"This change is made to make moderation more transparent and eliminate the ongoing questions of what's appropriate and what is not."

Only when the other half of the coin is visible can anything be understood!

With the same technology it should be a simple hop, skip, and a jump to institute a similar system to shine the light on the specific nature and extent of the complaints reported to moderators. Shouldn't it be known who the complainers are? Who complains the most-least? What is the ratio of valid vs. invalid complaints made by individuals? The time and effort moderators expend addressing individual complainers? Wouldn't this information all but eliminate the specter of "anonymous complaints" as the basis for issuing infractions? Shouldn't forum membership be aware when complainers and moderators are of like minds regarding an issue, position, or persuasion?

Surely this information is of at least equal value as the publication of offender information!

I'll leave it up to others to come up with an appropriate name for this type of information. Thanks and good luck!"

There should be a sticky posted at the head of the Open Discussion Forum title "The Crybaby Chronicles" every complaint received by moderators originating from the OD Forum should be listed as they are received, with the name of the author. This will form a registry of sorts or a documentary of those who cries what. Individuals can then have their own conduct juxtaposed to the conduct of others whom they object to, sort of a self energized hypocrite detector function. This would illuminate when individuals complain en masse gaming the "system" to the detriment of another. Forum members should know who is complaining about what, and then make an educated choice when posting in the forum. The present "system" anonymity rewards those who use complaints against others while at the same time shielding them from peer review and rebuke. No complainant should have a worry if their complaint is valid, if fact they can choose to view themselves as responsible for making the forum better for everyone and wear that badge with honor!?

It's an interesting point and you've mentioned it in the past.

A couple of thoughts:

1) There is no current method for the software to do as you request. We'd have to do it manually and we don't have enough moderation time currently.

2) There is a general lack of reporting on the part of most members. Quite a few feel that reporting a post that they find offensive or in violation of the TOU is "tattling". With this mindset, if we were to make the reports public knowledge, my belief is that nearly the entire membership would refrain from notifying the moderator about any post unless it's blatant. This lack of reporting would be counterproductive to our needs. We simply cannot be everywhere and read every post thoroughly. It's very easy to spot a trolling post when it's a single line. It's much more difficult to find a personal insult buried inside a diatribe.

3) We use the reporting system as a notification venue only. Certain members absolutely wish to see another member booted off the forum and they take every possible opportunity to report what they perceive as a violation of the TOU. We read the claim, have a discussion about it if necessary, and make a decision. Many times the report will not result in an infraction or a warning.

Other members, who don't usually resort to the notification system, are taken a bit more seriously and their case is held with a higher merit.

The forum is a dynamic and fluid exchange of ideas and beliefs. It's usually a fine line to determine whether to allow a specific post or not because, generally, the behavior on OD is quite good. We absolutely do not wish to clamp down on every single perceived insult. On the other hand, we don't want the forum to degrade to the point where people run en-masse to the webmaster and he shuts the forum down.

Remember, this forum does nothing for advancing the knowledge of M/B automobiles...........it's only here as a courtesy of the webmaster............and his courtesy is limited when the forum explodes.

Chad300tdt · #94 04-25-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I don't believe you can quote multiple posts from different threads. Anybody try it?

No it doesn't work. I understand now what was being asked. I usually don't read JR's posts, so I assumed it was posts from this thread. I pretty much skipped over Da Nag's post since it was loaded with JR quotes.

Your suggested method of tabs is the best in that case.

cmbdiesel · #95 04-25-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"Taking the Webmaster's words at face value the clear and absolute reason for the discontinuation of the Open Discussion Forum is, was, and has been for more than a year and a half the incessant demands of many individuals who after voluntarily taking affirmative and deliberate actions to view and sometimes participate in "Open Discussion" that some other person (in this case a moderator) is responsible for protecting them from and ameliorating their self-inflicted hurt feelings and bruised egos. Any person who has ever contacted the moderator or Webmaster and objected to or complained about anything her/she/other saw or read in the "Open Discussion Forum" is personally and directly responsible for this sad turn of events.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billybob

It is a true shame that the crybaby communications of these persons/frauds are not available for all to see and know. My bet is that many, who shouted the loudest, sniveled the most!
"someone must help me, I can't stand what I've done to myself (again and again)" is a malignant cancer that threatens to overwhelm the body of liberty for all."

"Semi-transparency!

"This change is made to make moderation more transparent and eliminate the ongoing questions of what's appropriate and what is not."

Only when the other half of the coin is visible can anything be understood!

With the same technology it should be a simple hop, skip, and a jump to institute a similar system to shine the light on the specific nature and extent of the complaints reported to moderators. Shouldn't it be known who the complainers are? Who complains the most-least? What is the ratio of valid vs. invalid complaints made by individuals? The time and effort moderators expend addressing individual complainers? Wouldn't this information all but eliminate the specter of "anonymous complaints" as the basis for issuing infractions? Shouldn't forum membership be aware when complainers and moderators are of like minds regarding an issue, position, or persuasion?

Surely this information is of at least equal value as the publication of offender information!

I'll leave it up to others to come up with an appropriate name for this type of information. Thanks and good luck!"

There should be a sticky posted at the head of the Open Discussion Forum title "The Crybaby Chronicles" every complaint received by moderators originating from the OD Forum should be listed as they are received, with the name of the author. This will form a registry of sorts or a documentary of those who cries what. Individuals can then have their own conduct juxtaposed to the conduct of others whom they object to, sort of a self energized hypocrite detector function. This would illuminate when individuals complain en masse gaming the "system" to the detriment of another. Forum members should know who is complaining about what, and then make an educated choice when posting in the forum. The present "system" anonymity rewards those who use complaints against others while at the same time shielding them from peer review and rebuke. No complainant should have a worry if their complaint is valid, if fact they can choose to view themselves as responsible for making the forum better for everyone and wear that badge with honor!?

There are other forums out there, none as good as this one. Maybe you should visit some others before aiming your criticism at this one. If you don't post insults/threats/inflammatory remarks or posts that are completely off topic and intended just to irritate someone participating in a thread, then you won't get warnings or infractions. It is not the fault of the person who reports you if you get a warning, it is your own fault for making the post in the first place. It's called personal responsibility.

Collectively, it behooves us to behave a little more like civilized people, and then infractions and who 'tattled' would not be an issue.

Think before posting. Your comments should pass the 'bar' test. 'Could I say what is in my post to someone next to me in a bar without getting knocked off my stool, or tossed out on my a$$' That would dramatically reduce the infractions, and most of the casual racist comments as well.(which I think there is too much of)

aklim · #96 04-25-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Think before posting. Your comments should pass the 'bar' test. 'Could I say what is in my post to someone next to me in a bar without getting knocked off my stool, or tossed out on my a$$' That would dramatically reduce the infractions, and most of the casual racist comments as well.(which I think there is too much of)

I don't think much of the "bar test". I have seen people get into a fight over simply bumping the other guy or knocking his drink over.

cmbdiesel · #97 04-25-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I don't think much of the "bar test". I have seen people get into a fight over simply bumping the other guy or knocking his drink over.

You should still post here with the same reservations and tact you would have if you were speaking face to face.

aklim · #98 04-25-2009, 10:07 AM

Getting back on topic, I think we can clearly see that Bot decided to leave on his own accord. It wasn't a forced exit by a moderator. Maybe he got his hands slapped and decided to leave. Maybe he is trying to duck a paternity suit. Maybe he is trying to catch the next flight to BFE. Either way, all we have is speculation and that a member had decided to leave and give us little clues so we have something to speculate about.

This reminds me of a person who threatens suicide by saying "I'm go to g home and slit my wrists." To which my answer is "Don't make a mess."

jplinville · #99 04-25-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

The issue isn't far left or far right. The position is irrelevant. The issue is whether the member wants a discussion..........or wants to issue insults............or simply rant.

We're fine with any discussion, far right, far left, or middle of the road. We don't tolerate personal insults and disrespect and we don't tolerate trolling (posts for the sole purpose of ranting or inflaming other members).

Might I ask a simple question here? Why are the ones directed at me be a certain person on this board ignored by you? I believe you and I have tried to handle this in private over a post I reported, yet the offender didn't get a refraction for it.

cmbdiesel · #**100** 04-25-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Might I ask a simple question here? Why are the ones directed at me be a certain person on this board ignored by you? I believe you and I have tried to handle this in private over a post I reported, yet the offender didn't get a refraction for it.

I'm going to guess that if you willingly engage in the inappropriate exchange, then your complaint will not be viewed with the same value as someone who routinely takes the high road, eschewing the desire to trade insult for insult until it gets out of hand.

Possibly there was no refraction because there was no variation if the phase polarity, indicating identical refractive indices.

Larry Delor · #**101** 04-25-2009, 12:14 PM

I would like to suggest a second button, next to the "Inappropriate" triangle.
This button could be called "Irritant" button.
If you see a post that irritates you, you click it (anonymously) and once 20 clicks have accumulated, the poster gets a citation for being an irritating Ash hole.

Whereas I would hesitate to click the inapproprate button (it is supposed to be a free country..freedom of speech, etc), I would not hesitate at all, to call someone irritating.

I even came up with an icon. (looks like a starfish with skinny tentacles, doesn't it?)

cmbdiesel · #**102** 04-25-2009, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Delor

I would like to suggest a second button, next to the "Inappropriate" triangle.
This button could be called "Irritant" button.
If you see a post that irritates you, you click it (anonymously) and once 20 clicks have accumulated, the poster gets a citation for being an irritating Ash hole.

Whereas I would hesitate to click the inapproprate button (it is supposed to be a free country..freedom of speech, etc), I would not hesitate at all, to call someone irritating.

I even came up with an icon. (looks like a starfish with skinny tentacles, doesn't it?)

Sort of a George Carlin and Kurt Vonnegut fusion. I think I like it.

tonkovich · #**103** 04-25-2009, 01:31 PM

Having been cited by our moderator, mr. bc, i must say that he is usually quite correct. and considering he does his job for free? (i think), we should accept his rulings and/or be willing to explain ourselves to him. That's all folks!

(i know, i am sucking up to the powers that be

but i do mean it)

Skid Row Joe · #**104** 04-25-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I don't believe you can quote multiple posts from different threads. Anybody try it?

It's not working for me. In fact clicking on the " Icon does nothing.

Skid Row Joe · #**105** 04-25-2009, 02:14 PM

I like the 'Crybaby' feature idea the more I think about a certain stalker on these boards.... Recently, this stalking crybaby was intent on where my place of residency is. For what, I can only guess. When a crybaby becomes a stalker, IMO that's over the top.