it seems to me that we both are looking for the same thing... decision by the judicial system.

Now... how can we get that decision if the shooter is never charged?

How can the questionable law be exposed to the scrutiny it deserves if it is never called into question in the courtroom?

For the record, I have never stated one way or another whether I believe this shooting to be racially motivated, as I have no way of knowing. Neither has anyone else, except the Zim, and he's not talking.

The race card being played here is not simply that the Zim shot Martin because he was black, but also that the PD did not pursue charges for the same reason. Not being a black man, I do not see the pervasive racism in our culture the way someone who is directly affected by it does. To many of them, the lack of an arrest or any organized investigation (or even notifying the kid's parents) is just another example of the bias ingrained in the system. And to that I say let the PD prove that their actions are not motivated by race. They are public servants, and they need to be accountable for their (in)actions.

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That you twisted my words is apparent for everyone to see, so that's a no harm, no foul situation. The unjustified smugness of the "lol" at the end does kind of bother me, though.

easier for whom???

it's actually much easier to just make unsupported claims of bias in information that does not fit your preconceptions.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

You, I and the entire planet understands anyone can find nearly any data which supports the point they wish to make. Someone can take a report and pull the "facts" out of the report so it seems to support "X" and another person can pull "facts" from the same report and show that it supports the opposite conclusion as "X". You are an attorney and seem to say you fail to understand this and now play the sympathy card. Do you need a story about crocodile tears? I don't buy it. I don't buy your thoughts on the stand your ground law application either- or that it was written by "republican knuckleheads".

Let's review the latest news: Martin was 6'3" and over 150 pounds wearing clothes which stops identification ( in a quite warm area- so he's not wearing the hoodie because it's cold) and make him appear larger than he really is...at night... in a place he's rarely been. He's there because he was suspended from school for having a baggie which shortly before had drugs in it. Someone is following him and according to the 5'9" (half a foot shorter) 200 pound Zimmerman Martin punches him in the face and breaks his nose and then proceeds to beat his head on the ground and in the struggle tries to take his gun. The police see Zim's broken nose, see the damage to the back of his head and still take him to the station for questioning.

IDK if this is the last version of the story.

Zimmerman is a "mixed race"- no more white than Obama is white- 50% perhaps.

I think Zim should be charged and let our system decide- and I've posted that view... and I'm the one you are trying to make me look bad because I "twisted your words". Boo hoo; tears from a lawyer.

These are your words- so don't tell me I'm twisting them...
now please tell me how you KNOW the PD did not pursue charges because of race.

I do not KNOW, nor have I suggested that I think it either. My point, which may have been less clear than I intended, was that the perception of the black community is that race played a role in the lack of charges.

It looks like a cow, it moos like a cow, it must be a cow....

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

Sure they can, if they want to be a**holes. I hope you are not suggesting that's who we have here on the forum.That's one of the problems with this sort of forum. You thought I was looking for sympathy, so I obviously was unclear. My comment about your "lol" was not to get sympathy. I was just pointing out that smugness is annoying, especially when it comes from someone who just finished saying something as lame as your previous post.I don't know whether they were republicans. I made that assumption because republicans are the ones writing most of the idiotic laws these days. Was that an incorrect assumption?

Which part of the stand-your-ground law do you think I am getting wrong?OK. I guess you have moved on to argue with someone else. I have no opinion on any of that.Me too.I'm not trying to make you look bad and I certainly am not shedding any tears. Why are you so angry?

Your words are just silly: People who look for parts of evidence which support their view are those that "want to be a**holes"???

Let me ask you- have you ever looked for evidence which supports your view? Of course you have- and nearly everyone has. If that support comes from the same source which has previously supported a differing view then that person "wants to be an a**hole" is ridiculous and frankly unfathomable as to why you would say that.

I'm not angry, I'm scratching my head ... you seem intelligent and write clearly, but what comes out sometimes is just beyond reason. Perhaps it's your world of law; it's a culture of people which as used to perverting facts/figures/views to get people to agree with whatever you are being paid to support.

I'm sorry I thought those were your words since I quoted you. Next time tell us when you speak that your words are not your words and then when afterwards when your words ARE your words so we don't mix them up.

It would have been ridiculous for me to say that, so it's a good thing I said something else. You said that "anyone can find nearly any data which supports the point they wish to make." Well, sometimes the data just don't support the point I wish I could make. Only an a**hole twists the data until it fits his or her point of view.Thanks, sort of. Maybe you are looking too hard to find disagreement. I'm pretty sure that I've agreed with just about everything you've said in this thread. You seem to take offense at my statement about the authors of stand-your-ground being knuckleheads, but I don't know why you feel that way.

You guys are sounding like Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton.

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Yeah, and this one even spends every waking hour cruising his vicintity 'Profileing potentail Terrorists'. You are new here..eventually you will get to see him 'Get into character'.

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