Reading a piece on homosexuality in which the author is arguing it falls into the same general category of bestiality and cannibalism. Both of which are violations of what he calls the moral order of the body. I'm curious as to what other people think about the morality of cannibalism. I don't think I've ever felt or thought that cannibalism per se was immoral. I think that killing someone to eat is wrong and maybe even eating human flesh when something else is available is wrong, but if the only source of food available is dead human flesh, I've never been able to get myself to imagine that there's something wrong with eating it. Am I unusual in that respect or is the author of the piece I'm reading projecting something on to humanity as a whole that only a small minority of people think or feel?

Bestiality is another question altogether. But even with that, there seems to be ambiguity. If you're at your cousin's house and his dog starts humping your leg, and instead of kicking the dog off, you allow it to continue its business, have you done something morally wrong?

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In my book..
To kill is wrong. To kill to eat is wrong.
To eat the flesh of the dead to survive is ok. Ask the Soccer team (Uruguay?)


Your example is pretty tame. I'm not sure it fits the widely accepted use of the term. I think it requires cogent action. Sitting there with your leg still falls a little short of my idea of b'stality. Weird maybe.

It's passive bestiality, not active bestiality It's cross-species sex, so I'm thinking it should count.

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I think cannibalism is, or at least was far more prevalent than anyone in modern times cares to admit. It's interesting how cultures that formerly practiced it are not only repulsed by it today but even go to great lengths to deny their former tastes. My wife's people are descendants of the Anasazi, or as they say it, the Hisatsinom - Anasazi is a Navajo word. Christie and Jacqueline Turner's book "Man Corn, Cannibalism and Violence in the American Southwest" caused a huge stir when it first came out. I made the mistake of asking opinions about it. The denials were absolute and final and very emotional. I only got one person to admit, begrudgingly that there might have been an instance or two of people eating people prehistorically but they were without a doubt rare and desperate occurrences. The evidence, while it has been disputed, is pretty obvious. Butchered and cooked bones don't look the same as unprocessed bones. Morally? I'd eat human flesh to survive. Meat is meat. On the other hand, I'd like to think I wouldn't kill that meat, but who can say for sure?
As far as beastiality goes, it's victimization in most cases. Your dog humping the leg may not be the best example. I know a breeder in S. Az who hired some drifter to work with her livestock; feeding, cleaning pens etc. He was caught having it on with one of her goats, prosecuted and sent to jail. If I'd caught him he wouldn't have made it out of the pen without several new body cavities.

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I was trying to get around the 'vicitimization' issue with my example. In my example, there appears to be a 'consensual' relationship. I could even modify it so that once the dog initiates, the human enjoys it. No victimization there that I can detect.

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I'm thinking maybe passive and bestiality are mutually exclusive.
The dog... the only physically active participant... is not rational.
The only rational one is not physically active.
Hmmm...I have to think about this some more....is rational activity (willing yet passive acceptance) the equivalent of physical activty in this example? Could be. At least to the rational segment.

Not acting is acting

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My first reaction to the Moral thread was ---Good lord Kerry's startin the larry BS,

Anyway--At the beginning of the day-Who's to say whats right or wrong---

Stir fryin with peppers and onions would make a tasty dish

Well, they say a cannibal is simply a man who loves his fellow man.......with gravy.

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I saw a special a few weeks ago about the Essex. A 19th century whaling ship sunk by a whale leaving part of her crew drifting n a lifeboat in the South Pacific. (the inspiration for Moby Dick). Running out of food and having consumed their colleagues who died a natural death, they drew lots to decide who would sustain the rest. The loser accepted his fate and gave himself for his mates. I don't have much of a problem with that sequence of events.

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I think informed consent is the right answer. This requires that the subject be aware of the moral and physical issues involved. It requires that the subject be rational. The exception would be (as indicated above) a subject who died a natural death. By my argument, animals are out but willing victims (if rational and informed) are fair game.

Now to get to the meat of the matter: Does this mean it's okay to have sex with dead people? Dead animals?

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Must be where 'EAT ME' came from.

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I saw part of that special too. I have no feelings of judging them wrong. I would neither criticize them if they had chosen to die rather than eat their friend.

As for the dog thing, I see no big thing there. I doubt the dog would hump til satisfied. they and other animals do this as a dominance thing without results.

Having sex with a goat? Seems pretty odd and a bit repulsive but I would not shoot someone for it. Depending on who you ask around here some people say a high percentage of farm boys have done a sheep or other animal. I have always found that tough to swallow (no pun intended). I lived in farm country until I was 11 and never knew anyone who did it.

I did run across a rather dorky fellow in college who told me he had jacked off his dog. I though that was pretty strange. I didn't condemn the dog though, but in looking at the fellow, the dog probably could have done better!

Having sex with the dead? Very very sick. Nearly as bad as molesting children. the trouble with having sex with the dead is how did they become dead? the only example I know of is the fellow who killed his victims first and kept some of them in his freezer.

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