Originally Posted by chilcutt

Hate to burst your bubble, but Netanyahu, and his crew of rhetoric writers are masters at playing 'the Victem card', in order to decieve the U.S. into giving them billions of dollars each year..Believing their scam, is like trying to hammer a bunch of scattered nails with a wrecking ball.


Back to the Democrats.............


I dont think even Obama believes Netanyahu, and is well aware of his tactics.

Once again, if you believe in endless war, the cost of which will finish draining what is left of the U.S. economy, then Mitt Romney is your guy.

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

4 years ago the Democratic cry was, "Anybody but Bush". Yet, now, these same people think that "Anybody but Obama" is disloyal.
Obama is not stupid, nor evil--just a leftist radical bent on promoting his agenda. I want to see that agenda defeated. It is a positive development to see so many powerful democrats break with Obama over his attack on Bane. Maybe the seeds of cooperation have been planted.
Politics is all about "the possible". A true-blue, dyed-in-the-wool Conservative is not possible at this time. Neither did the liberals take over the Democratic Party in a single election. They did it step by tiny step from the grass roots up. Romney is a tiny step in the right direction. He is also, the only alternative to another 4 years of President Obama. I will gladly, and proudly vote for Romney in this election. He is the only possible alternative.

Originally Posted by strelnik

Larry, I know your intentions are honorable in making that statement, but I will also tell you that there are radical Hassidic Jew parties in the Knesset (parliament) that periodically offer legislation to get all the non-Jews out of the country. They also give the Reformed Jews a lot of grief over some customs.

That's why in Anno Domini 2012, you still can't buy a cheeseburger in Israel: you can't mix meat and milk products on the same dish. That's the Hassidic-promoted law, and the Rebbe says so!

Originally Posted by retmil46

I've said this at least once before - as long as people continue to believe that they only have two choices, with either a D or an R after their name, and that voting for a third alternative is a "waste" of their vote - which is what the two main parties WANT people to believe so they can continue their hold on power - then nothing will change and we will continue to be offered these ever-increasingly-disappointing choices each election.

I will make my voice heard, expressing my disappointment with both the D's and R's, by voting for Gary Johnson, regardless of the likely outcome of the election overall - in essence, I'll be voting my conscience - not for the lesser of two bozos.

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

4 years ago the Democratic cry was, "Anybody but Bush". Yet, now, these same people think that "Anybody but Obama" is disloyal.

Originally Posted by Honus

I bet you can't name a single person who said that.I guess that depends on what you consider "left." Based on the politics I have seen in my 55 years, I'd put Obama pretty close to dead center, maybe a bit to the right.Right. That's what the GOP's looking for, cooperation.

Originally Posted by LarryBible

For almost everyone, "dead center" is when someone is in the same position as themselves. If someone is on the far left or far right wing tip, others who are in that same position SEEM TO BE in the center. It's all in your perspective.

A good case could be made that Bill Clinton moved to the center after being too far left. That's what got him a second term. B.O. is NOT in the center and is too arrogant to move there as Clinton did.

All the best

Originally Posted by LarryBible

They would get billions of dollars from the US every year any way. Not too many countries on Earth don't.

Originally Posted by strelnik

That's why in Anno Domini 2012, you still can't buy a cheeseburger in Israel: you can't mix meat and milk products on the same dish. That's the Hassidic-promoted law, and the Rebbe says so!

Originally Posted by elchivito

Hmm. For almost everyone. How 'bout you Larry? Are you part of "almost everyone", or is your viewpoint more focused, clear, unaffected by bias?

Obama has moved so far to the center as to be, as Honus said, a bit to the right. Why do you suppose his most radical supporters are mad at him? He hasn't closed Gitmo, he's killing civilians with drones in the ME on a nearly weekly basis, he's bowed to Wall Street, and in many other ways, in the eyes of his furthest left supporters, has let them down.
Your hatred for the man Barack Obama has completely blinded you to the record of President Obama. Barack Obama could disband the Department of Education and the IRS and start pumping oil on the White House lawn and people like you would still hate him. That's because you hate him, not his politics.

Originally Posted by LarryBible

retmil,

I appreciate, understand and believe your reasoning that the two parties are a problem. You make that point celearly, but for this election cycle at least and for the foreseeable future, a vote for a third party is a vote thrown out the window. I've been there and done that only to contribute to the defeat of the person that I SHOULD have been voting for.

Originally Posted by retmil46

Thank you for making a perfect illustration of my point.

As long as the two main parties can keep the sheeple thinking this way, then nothing will change.