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Old 06-03-2012, 03:44 PM
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Speak for yourself.

Had a "conservative" taken office in 1/09, what shape would that unemployment curve have? I suppose it would have taken a sharp turn to the right and then down.

I guess we will never know will we?
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Rorschach test. You see what you want to see.
I see unemployment still way over Bush's worst, and that's if you believe the numbers. I think the real unemployment is far worse than the chart. Don't forget all those who have become so frustrated that they have given up. "Workplace participation" is at, or near the all-time low.
Do you have any understanding, whatsoever, on the time and energy that it takes to reverse the direction of a ship?

Say a cruise ship is traveling at 25 kts. in the wrong direction and the ship must be stopped and turned around. While the is moving at 25 kts. in the wrong direction, the captain is changed to a more competent individual.

Do you really expect the ship to stop instantaneously and reverse itself?

If so, you're a fool.

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Old 06-03-2012, 04:27 PM
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Can you reverse the course of a ship in 3 1/2 years?
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Can you reverse the course of a ship in 3 1/2 years?
Didn't work for the Titanic.
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To some, this chart would indicate that Pres Obama has staunched the hemorrhage that began during Bush Jr.

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You're graph leave out those who have run out of UC?
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:19 PM
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Can you reverse the course of a ship in 3 1/2 years?

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Not if some of the folks in the engine room attempt to sabotage or stall the efforts of the man at the helm.
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Yes, if you choose to believe that three years of hard work in tough conditions for almost no pay at all, is not enough to earn a little help with tuition from the GI Bill, then you are free to consider me a freeloader.

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I have to challenge the "almost no pay at all" part. See link below:

2012 Military Pay Chart

Keep in mind that's just the basic pay. If a member lives out in town they're also entitled to BAH and BAS. If they don't live out in town they get to stay in the barracks for free.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:03 PM
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Do you have any understanding, whatsoever, on the time and energy that it takes to reverse the direction of a ship?

Say a cruise ship is traveling at 25 kts. in the wrong direction and the ship must be stopped and turned around. While the is moving at 25 kts. in the wrong direction, the captain is changed to a more competent individual.

Do you really expect the ship to stop instantaneously and reverse itself?

If so, you're a fool.

"Rorschach test"
How condescending of you.
Of course I understand that economies do not respond immediately, but I would argue that nearly everything the current administration has been wrong.

As for sabotage in the engine room---those people in the engine room also have a responsibility to do what they think best--they were elected to their positions, too.. We are not yet a country where we do the absolute bidding of any one man. Thank God!
Perhaps you forgot these quotes from that Right Wing Nut Job, Hillary,

Since when has it been part of American patriotism to keep our mouths shut?" - Hillary Clinton 2006

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" - Hillary Clinton 2006

"Blind faith in bad leadership is not patriotism" - Hillary Clinton 2006



As for what would have happened had a Conservative been elected in 2008, we never will know---no Conservative was on the ballot.
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Not if some of the folks in the engine room attempt to sabotage or stall the efforts of the man at the helm.
The first two years Obama had a Democrat House and a Filibuster proof Senate.

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The first two years Obama had a Democrat House and a Filibuster proof Senate.

Try again.
How dare you use facts in this forum.


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...Filibuster proof Senate....
I believe that you are mistaken. 111th United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that the GOP hasn't done everything it can to sabotage Obama?

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Can you reverse the course of a ship in 3 1/2 years?
He has reversed the course of the ship in 3 1/2 years. However, the ship has not picked up any speed in the new direction. Because it's a ship, and the weight is 50,000 tons, gaining speed takes time. It takes even longer if you've got small engines and a balky crew.
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I believe that you are mistaken. 111th United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia What is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that the GOP hasn't done everything it can to sabotage Obama?


You are correct I forgot Bernie Sanders who is a Socialist and Joe Lieberman who caucused with the Democrats. You do have a point after Ted Kennedy passed and Brown was elected.

How is it only sabotage when Republicans oppose the president? According to Mrs. Clinton (Who I admire and supported in 2008 BTW) We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.

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Old 06-04-2012, 08:16 AM
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I have to challenge the "almost no pay at all" part. See link below:

2012 Military Pay Chart

Keep in mind that's just the basic pay. If a member lives out in town they're also entitled to BAH and BAS. If they don't live out in town they get to stay in the barracks for free.

LOL! They make just a LITTLE more money in 2012 than we did.

When I went in the Army in 1968, we made $87.50 per month. Yes, they gave us room and board. The meals weren't too bad, but the board was about 36 men in an area about 30 X40. This was in July through September in Fort Polk, LA. Heat and humidity like you can't believe. Going from long before daylight until dark. Once we did get into our Tajmahal at night, no a/c. Laying in the bunks sweating. After leaving Fort Polk, it went downhill from there.

Then when in college beginning 1971, I got a little less than $300 a month. Does this sound like a huge wind fall to you?

Tell me Skippy, since that pay table seems to you to be so lucrative, why don't YOU enlist? HMMmmmmmm........??????
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...How is it only sabotage when Republicans oppose the president?...
It becomes sabotage when the Minority Leader of the Senate states that their number one goal is to make sure Obama is not re-elected, when the Majority Leader in the House holds a meeting on inauguration day to strategize about how to obstruct the new President, and when the GOP opposes everything Obama proposes, even when it is something they used to support.
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