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if they make you uncomfortable or they are not your kind of people, may I suggest a move to New York.
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interesting info about the then Commander in Chief: American Stalin | Abraham Lincoln |
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Which means nothing. Your father's greatness is done. You need to achieve your own. Don't idolize the man. Decide if what the idea mentioned is good or not.
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The question is whether the guy has a vested interest in your well being or not. Many are swayed by pretty speeches.
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thank you for linking that ridiculous confederacy apologist silliness. Of course Lincoln was not an abolitionist, in fact, he stated dozens of occasions, as the silly link quotes, that he had no intention of altering southern states or their laws, he was in fact, a mild and moderate republican (a new party at that time). No doubt you will recall that he was equally hated in the north for not being an abolitionist, as well as hated in the south, for being even slightly moderate. His platform was to limit the practice of slavery in new territories vying for statehood, and to keep slavery from heading further west. His ultimate goal was preservation of the union once southern states lost their heads and started to secede before he even took office, and being an extremely smart man, the emancipation proclamation was part of his goal of preservation. What began as a war to hold the union together, became a war against the institution of slavery, and the emancipation proclamation was an excellent propaganda tool to that end. However, even used as propaganda, there is no question of it being the right thing to do. That link is some of the most ridiculous stuff ive ever read, as far as explaining away what the war was about and attacking one of the greatest presidents this nation has ever had, it grieves me to see that you believe most of it.
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Jefferson was a great American, and his opinions and world view was shaped by his period in history. I don't find Washington that much different at all, another great American of the past. Notice, he released his slaves when both his wife and he were dead and had no further use for them. We he an abolitionist, he would have released them far sooner, and started to pay them. Both of these men would have no doubt sided with the south during the Civil war, but after a hundred years, understanding of the evils of slavery were more widespread. Another thing we tend to forget is during the revolutionary war, many northern colonies had the practice of slavery as well, these men were nothing more than representative of the worldview of then.
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He abandoned that idea and moved on toward emancipation at a rate that his electorate would support.
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American Stalin | Abraham Lincoln then please do not read this one: :: America's Caesar :: |
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A. was despised by huge numbers of his contemporaries B. Didn't like church and may not have been religious C. told vulgar stories D. pissed off Springfields christian leaders because he didn't like church whats your point? Looks to me like you found a link that describes a regular guy, yet places evil on him because he succeeded in keeping the union together. The greatest tragedy for the south that happened was his assassination, as it ushered in a vengeful period of reconstruction and punishment. If you recall, Lincoln wanted to welcome back the southern states with open arms, to return them to their place in the union without acting as if they ever left. Again, he was a moderate, not an extremist. from his april 11, 1865 speech about Louisiana- "We all agree that the seceded States, so called, are out of their proper practical relation with the Union; and that the sole object of the government, civil and military, in regard to those States is to again get them into that proper practical relation. I believe it is not only possible, but in fact, easier, to do this, without deciding, or even considering, whether these states have even been out of the Union, than with it. Finding themselves safely at home, it would be utterly immaterial whether they had ever been abroad. Let us all join in doing the acts necessary to restoring the proper practical relations between these states and the Union; and each forever after, innocently indulge his own opinion whether, in doing the acts, he brought the States from without, into the Union, or only gave them proper assistance, they never having been out of it. "
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Exhibit #1 as to the value of links.
Links are only as good as the information they contain. Linking to false information does not give it credibility.
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Dueling Banjos Deliverance - YouTube |
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Violence perpetrated by Americans against other Americans in the name of "preserving the Union". Even after Lee surrendered, the Union continued the violence against Native Americans. Here's the pen, either sign the contract or we'll kill you. Threats, duress and coercion. Third party interlopers trespassing on a State's right to self-govern. Lincoln; a man who championed another man's right to be left alone....NOT. THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE CIVIL WAR: |
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