I don't see how it much affects any case for or against abortion. That's why he's being tried with murder charges for babies rather than murder charges for fetuses.

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I can't believe that there are those in this world that would think that what the doctor did is proper. Listening to this argument from a Planned Parenthood rep is completely disgusting...

Video: Planned Parenthood Official Argues for Right to Post-Birth Abortion | The Weekly Standard

In essence, the doctor was doing what this lady is arguing for.

And they called Vietnam Vets, "baby-killers"...

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Didn't listen to it, but the article states that the PP official stated the position that the decision should be left in the hands of the woman and the doctor.

Not exactly what you and the Weekly Standard are claiming was said.

I know very little about this kind of thing, but how old are these babies they are discussing?
Do they actually have a viable shot at survival?
Are they incredibly damaged by the abortion attempt?
Who would provide the $$ to save these babies?

It seems to me that there's a knee jerk reaction in assuming that they are discussing the killing of perfect little 9 month old babies.... is this actually the case?

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Duh! Did I say anything to dispute that? MAN! I think that you put way too much weight in the person WRITING the post and not enough in what I WROTE!

Do you REALLY think that I am so stupid that I don't understand that he is being tried for murder?

The ONLY issue of any political nature here is whether or not this issue is being down played by the media for fear of it being construed as an abortion issue. One that could cast a bad light on abortion.

GEEZ MAN, I know you can't stand me, but has that emotion really made you think that I'm completely and totally stupid?

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Yes, but you have to look at the group of people that CALLED the Vets baby killers. The youngsters of that era that participated in that are the oldsters that are protecting this kind of crap today.

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Oh well... thanks for clearing this up. If the Mom says it's okay to murder the baby that is living outside of the womb, then it is okay, legal and fine.

Oh! why didn't they say that to start with? That makes it all okay.

Sure am glad my Mom didn't think I was all that ugly when I came out of the womb. Of course, if she had, it would have cheated you guys out of your daily punching bag.

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Um, calm down? God forbid I agree with you for once. And I can perfectly stand you btw, not sure on vice versa given the above.

Did I not directly address this question?
Perhaps I was responding to your statement rather than you

Edit: I'm not even sure how else you can expect someone to respond to that question.

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Can you stop yourself after you have jumped off a bridge?

Why was the headline a deliberate mis-interpretation, rather than reflect what was actually said??

Either way, we have still gotten just as many of our questions answered....

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So based on the reporting you're aware of and perhaps your local knowledge, Gosnell was not engaged in the abortion business and in the act of providing abortion procedures when these alleged crimes occured? Was he just hanging around delivery rooms and birthing facilities and somehow gained access to newly born children that he then fatally attacked for unknown reasons?

Seems according to all the reporting he was an abortion provider and in the course of preforming abortions, he induced or facilitated the evacuation of the wombs of his patients and then the living human being that had been formerly residing in the recently forcibly evacuated womb was with malice aforthought deliberately and purposely executed. The only deviation from the normal procedure was that Gosnell removed the living human from the womb first and then executed it, where had he followed the normal procedure wherein the living human while still residing in its mother's womb is dismembered using a scalpel and forceps and collection of dissected body parts disgarded as "tissue".

These "babies" (your words) had been forcibly removed prematurely from the womb are entitled to the protection but had they not be prematurely forceably removed from the womb are not "babies" but are fetuses not entitled to protection.

So the disticntion between protected and unprotected is nothing more than if the "baby" resides in the womb or not? By your own rational the "fetus" could be healthy, fully developed, viable, capable of living and breathing outside of the womb but yet "unborn" (forcibly or otherwise) have no protection whereas once removed from the womb instantly becomes a "baby" entitled to every protection? If the being is partially outside the womb is it a baby or a fetus, does it have to be fully outside to be a baby, or if an arm or leg remains not completely outside is it still a fetus? Can a being with only its head exposed be decapitated as a fetus? What if it is breathing and crying? One partial birth procedure involves delivering the being's body outside and the skull punctured, evacuated, and crushed while still remaining in the womb.

The difference between lawful abortion and unlawful murder is not the stage of human potential development aka viability of the being, but only the degree to which the being happens to exist "in" or "out" of a womb at the time of its execution?

Gosh, where have I heard this style and tone before?

Anyways, there's a reason late-term abortions are illegal, because the babies are viable outside the womb. TMK those, (along with the woman who died) are what he is being charged with. Conflating those with early term abortions and doctors who perform legal abortions is erroneous.

That's like equating all bankers to Bernie Madoff

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re Planned parenthood, Margaret Seanger (sic) was a racist and she envisioned riiding the human population of it's "weeds", in her definition, blacks, asians & Indians..... sorts like Hitler, but longer lasting...

Is that what PP is about today? If they changed their name would that make you feel better?

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