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John Galt · #**436** 04-20-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

And lets welcome Hitler to the party as well, missed that old booger!

Well, after all it IS his birthday on Apr 20th

Also the Colombine school shooting, and the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

Air&Road · #**437** 04-20-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

And lets welcome Hitler to the party as well, missed that old booger!

You can ridicule me if you wish, but MS is correct and my comment was appropriate. That is indeed what hitler did.

Air&Road · #**438** 04-20-2014, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt

Well, after all it IS his birthday on Apr 20th

Also the Colombine school shooting, and the Deepwater Horizon blowout.

So what do those two events have to do with a government taking jack booted action?

t walgamuth · #**439** 04-20-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You can ridicule me if you wish, but MS is correct and my comment was appropriate. That is indeed what hitler did.

Hitler evicted dead beat renters?

I thought he was famous for putting people in concentration camps and taking their property without compensation.

MS Fowler · #**440** 04-20-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Geezus man.... The guy has been in default for 20 years....
Try actually reading the court cases and judgements, and then following the timeline. The BLM has long been worried about Bundy getting violent. He has repeatedly threatened armed resistance to the feds moving his cattle off the land or confiscating them.'
Bundy is responsible for the escalation of this issue.
Read the reports, do some research... you will find that your assumptions are wrong.

'Men with guns'.... what else can you expect after not complying with court orders, especially for such an extended time, and while spreading such violent rhetoric???
Imagine what he owed was child support... He refuses to pay. Refuses to acknowledge or respect court orders requiring him to pay. He expresses his willingness to resist violently...
That guy would be cuffed face down in the dirt by as many armed LEO's as it took, and you would probably be the first one to cheer their actions.

I'll grant that he has had his day in Court. But still, is there some room between the Sheriff saying, " You owe money", and the huge military force descending on the man's home?
It seems like a huge escalation, and for what? If its the money, then there are people who owe more money but aren't being threatened with military action. If its the desert tortoise--well, the feds killed more of them than anyone.
I just don't see the need for the overt, massive use of force. Hell, we didn't provide this level of support for our diplomatic mission in Benghazi!

Something stinks.

Air&Road · #**441** 04-20-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Hitler evicted dead beat renters?

I thought he was famous for putting people in concentration camps and taking their property without compensation.

Doesn't matter what the offense it's the method that counts. Hitler took out people at the point of a gun, the same as the Feds were trying to do to Bundy. That's what your federal government has come to.

Jorn · #**442** 04-20-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

You can ridicule me if you wish, but MS is correct and my comment was appropriate. That is indeed what hitler did.

You are right, it was an appropriate response. Just thought it was "funny" to see Hitler popping up after Sharpton and Putin. The keyboard was faster than the mind...

cmbdiesel · #**443** 04-20-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I'll grant that he has had his day in Court. But still, is there some room between the Sheriff saying, " You owe money", and the huge military force descending on the man's home?
It seems like a huge escalation, and for what? If its the money, then there are people who owe more money but aren't being threatened with military action. If its the desert tortoise--well, the feds killed more of them than anyone.
I just don't see the need for the overt, massive use of force. Hell, we didn't provide this level of support for our diplomatic mission in Benghazi!

Something stinks.

Cliven Bundy has a long history of violent anti-government rhetoric. It was his overt statements that he would give armed resistance to enforcement of the court orders which prompted the BLM to send armed rangers.
It was the amassing of bubba militias that caused them to escalate the size of their force.

I'm baffled why our law-and-order crew here is so adamant about placing this violent and delusional criminal upon a pedestal...

Please don't continue with the BS about the feds killing desert tortoises.... try actually reading the link you posted, and you will hopefully understand what a crock that statement is.

I see you decided not to address the question about armed police officers enforcing court orders on a deadbeat dad.... Why is that?
My take is that you are in favor of armed enforcement, but only on the people you want to see it used on....

cmbdiesel · #**444** 04-20-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_walker

Have you been able to determine how much he paid prior to 1993 or so when
the BLM started trying to buy him out and he refused? I haven't in moderately casual research. I'm curious specifically what he paid prior to that, when the payments started, and if they were (going to be) raised after he declined to sell them his grazing rights. These seem like important things to know and nobody seems to. Only that he "quit paying".

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I would wait for those numbers to come out before making such an
Assumption. If they just raised them a reasonable amount to keep up with inflation or even a little more then you are correct. If OTOH, they raised them out of sight then that would indicate they were trying to run him off so they could line their pockets due to some other plan.

I've been saying all along that it is highly likely if not almost. Retain that there is something going on in the background that is not being made known and if so is probably soaked with corruption.

Pretty easy thing to find out if one doesn't mind using google.....
1966 - $1.23 per AUM (animal unit month)
Current - $1.35 per AUM

It would appear that the price has not even come close to keeping up with inflation.
In fact, the price is a pittance, and begs the question...'Why hasn't the price gone up...?'
Almost seems like there is something going on in the background....

cmbdiesel · #**445** 04-20-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Doesn't matter what the offense it's the method that counts. Hitler took out people at the point of a gun, the same as the Feds were trying to do to Bundy. That's what federal government that you love so much has come to.

Cops will do the same thing if you ignore court orders.

Does that mean cops are Hitler?

elchivito · #**446** 04-20-2014, 08:48 PM

Same as I just answered in the newer thread. Bundy declared war and made violent threats. Do you expect the gov't to bring a knife to a gunfight?

Jorn · #**447** 04-20-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Same as I just answered in the newer thread. Bundy declared war and made violent threats. Do you expect the gov't to bring a knife to a gunfight?

And if they do they are accused of treason...Benghazi comes to mind.

Yes, I used Benghazi to make a statement!!!

Dubyagee · #**448** 04-20-2014, 08:56 PM

The government overreacted. Period. They could have just arrested the guy.

elchivito · #**449** 04-20-2014, 08:57 PM

No worries. They will.

Dubyagee · #**450** 04-20-2014, 09:03 PM

Honest day in court may not be available now due to their handling of the issue.