Why Women Need To Be Paid Less Than Men - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

MTI · #1 04-16-2014, 01:24 PM

Facts and Fallacies About Paycheck Fairness

Suppose the pay gap between men and women were magically eliminated. If that happened, simple arithmetic suggests that half of women would be unable to find what they regard as a suitable mate.

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aklim · #2 04-16-2014, 01:36 PM

Are you disputing the reasons she gave for the lower pay or what exactly is your dispute?

If you had two employees, both male or female to equalize the situation and one was exactly like what she said about women and the other was the opposite, would you pay both the same?

MTI · #3 04-16-2014, 01:44 PM

I believe the arguments raised are somewhat artificial and stereotypically based on a bygone era of socially dictated roles. Not all men are cut out to be "bread winners" . . . is there some agreement about that scenario? If so, should they automatically earn more that the stereotyped female employee simply because they have a penis?

Mölyapina · #4 04-16-2014, 01:46 PM

Are you seriously trying to argue with her whole article by just pulling out one side point?

MTI · #5 04-16-2014, 01:50 PM

If you're addressing me, then I didn't realize that my posts had to contain every single argument to be considered satisfactory. Perhaps you can direct me to one of your postings as an example of this process?

If an employee is producing the same number of widgets per hour or work week as the employee next to him or her, should there be some reason, such as likelihood of finding a spouse, for that employee to earn more or less?

kerry · #6 04-16-2014, 01:54 PM

Maybe it should be a poll? Would you or wouldn't you marry a woman who earned more than you?

JB3 · #7 04-16-2014, 01:56 PM

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Are you seriously trying to argue with her whole article by just pulling out one side point?

the whole article is made up of sweeping unsubstantiated generalizations, which are then used as a basis to "prove" her point.

lets take a poll- Men, do you agree with the below?

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While women prefer to HAVE a higher-earning partner, men generally prefer to BE the higher-earning partner in a relationship.

aklim · #8 04-16-2014, 02:01 PM

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If an employee is producing the same number of widgets per hour or work week as the employee next to him or her, should there be some reason, such as likelihood of finding a spouse, for that employee to earn more or less?

Good point. Now who would I want to keep around longer? The one who has potential to be a supervisor or the one that might quit or cut short work hours, etc? When I say "might" nothing is absolute. More likely would be a better description.

Kuan · #9 04-16-2014, 02:15 PM

She speaks for all women, I can tell.

MTI · #10 04-16-2014, 02:19 PM

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Good point. Now who would I want to keep around longer? The one who has potential to be a supervisor or the one that might quit or cut short work hours, etc? When I say "might" nothing is absolute. More likely would be a better description.

Again, isn't your question assuming a statistical stereotype rather than actual performance? If a business has a top performer, isn't it in the best interests of the company to retain that top performer?

aklim · #11 04-16-2014, 02:50 PM

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Again, isn't your question assuming a statistical stereotype rather than actual performance? If a business has a top performer, isn't it in the best interests of the company to retain that top performer?

Isn't it also assuming a statical stereotype when you jack up the rates of a guy with a DUI because you are saying he is more likely to cost more in the long run than a similar driver with no DUI on the record?

If you are challenging the statical claim, fair enough. OTOH I can't say that there is no truth whatsoever in what she is saying based on casual observation

MTI · #12 04-16-2014, 03:41 PM

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Isn't it also assuming a statical stereotype when you jack up the rates of a guy with a DUI because you are saying he is more likely to cost more in the long run than a similar driver with no DUI on the record?

If you are challenging the statical claim, fair enough. OTOH I can't say that there is no truth whatsoever in what she is saying based on casual observation

Then, by your own casual observation, you should not hire certain minorities due to a higher statistical rate of incarceration? You should also avoid recent veterans because of their statistically higher rates of neurological and psychological afflictions? So, it looks like, statistically, a field day for white males, who never served in the armed forces.

MTI, out.

davidmash · #13 04-16-2014, 03:59 PM

Count me in for a high salary wife. I will be a kept man, no problem.

aklim · #14 04-16-2014, 05:09 PM

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Then, by your own casual observation, you should not hire certain minorities due to a higher statistical rate of incarceration? You should also avoid recent veterans because of their statistically higher rates of neurological and psychological afflictions? So, it looks like, statistically, a field day for white males, who never served in the armed forces.

MTI, out.

If there is one spot and all other things are equal, what is it YOU suggest?

You do understand that AA is doing the same thing, don't you?

If statistics show that a black female will appeal to this crowd I am trying to solicit sales from, would you have an issue with me looking for a black female to hire or at least give preference to one? Or would it be okay since she is probably disenfranchised so a tilt in her direction is allowed?