well lee they got a compressor fore evry new typ of engine the c200 will outperform the c 280 and so on the kit fore the v6 320e will be around 5500/6000$$ but the hp will get up from 220 to 385 the 320 commpressor will out perform the 5,5 amg like a snap with youre finger . it may be smart to contackt cask in the sity of veldhoven in the netherlands there nr is 040 2535322 they are specialized in geting the max out of evry merc they also prepear the 320e straight 6 with a mclaren kit the whole engine is rebild and evry part is replaced with a mclaren parts. the engine will be total new and beter than the real thing and gose up from 3,2 to 3,6 you get a year warrenty on chalenging the world and they say the engine will last 250,000 miles ore so .its bild with formule one tecgnicik brabus those the same ting but 3 times more ecspensive. the mclaren rebild engine costs 8000$$ youre performends gose up 65 hp withs dusend seems mutch but they told me thats not importend its the way they put it on the grouwnd the fastes 0 to 60 car at thise momend is a subaru impretza 2.0 twin turbo 4wd they told me that youre rebild 124 type 320 will stay with it and when reaching the 100 miles a houer mark youre rebild mclaren engine will shoot away from that subaru all thise whitout a compressor ore bi turbo (aint that a *****) ecscuse me but thats what it is i saw you boys talk(complain) about the performends of the 300e and those typ of cars well there you have it its no more mister nice guy with a mclaren rebild ...

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ps they got the blower kits fore the 500 and all the way douwn. i even heurd that mercedes benz is so imprest that they whant to bild in those kleeman compressors in there standert cars. pps there is another tunning company in germany cald carlson they made a 7,4 liters 580hp c74 versien of the sl 0 to 60 in 4,9 seconds and a top speed of 330 km about 200 miles a houer but thats fore the ritch kids on thise board

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Big D,

Do you have a Web Site by chance? I know there are quiet a few speed junkies that visit this board and I am one of them. Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers!

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wel i dont have a site but yes im a speed freak like manny overhere in europe. i was stunned when i was over in the usa 3 moths ago about the prices they pay fore merc,s. and i was also stund about the poor(no disrespeckt) driving skils overthere. il ges whe are spoild. whe often go to do some racing on the german highways where there are no speedlimits and put the pedal to the metal. i did 160 miles tops an houer and a averitchs speed of 125 miles fore 2 houers last week whoooowheeeee its a good terapy fore stress and if you have to mutch energie anyway there is plenty tuning overhere but it dusend come cheap the other europ cars are alot ez to tune up back to you..

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Big D,

Do you have a Web Site by chance? I know there are quiet a few speed junkies that visit this board and I am one of them. Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers!

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Hey bigd, what kind of Benz do you have. Also, why where you stunned at the prices we pay for benz's. Are they cheaper there?

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27 foot Grady White Offshore Sportfish.

hi capt alex wel you can get a 300e fore 3000$$ not full options but you then go to a merc yunk yard and you can get it very cheap the e 200/ 230/260/280 you can get them from 2/2500$$ not to mention the se ore sec class cars they are realy cheap. nobody wands them. they are old and use to mutch gas and are ecspensive with road tax. you can get a 380 se fore 2750$$ . i drive in a 94 e320 sportline with a 5 gear automatic race box with 17 inche rims and michelin hp pilot tyers i bought a 98 spear engine that had 20,000 miles on it fore 1250$$ (that one will be modified and tuned to the max) i was lucky tho normaly you pay about 2000/2500$$ fore it, you can get 190 e fore about 1000 upto 3/4000 and so one even the classicks are very cheap its the same with bmw a 530 i 24 v will cost you about3500/4000 $$ those are middel age cars and so one porsche 944 about 2500$$ and up the 928s about 3000$$ with the 928s4 from5000$$ and up and so on.

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Hey bigd, what kind of Benz do you have. Also, why where you stunned at the prices we pay for benz's. Are they cheaper there?

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ps i saw an messege about a e500 from 92 in thise forum and i chekt it out. overhere you pay about 7/8000$$ less fore the same car ...

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hi capt alex wel you can get a 300e fore 3000$$ not full options but you then go to a merc yunk yard and you can get it very cheap the e 200/ 230/260/280 you can get them from 2/2500$$ not to mention the se ore sec class cars they are realy cheap. nobody wands them. they are old and use to mutch gas and are ecspensive with road tax. you can get a 380 se fore 2750$$ . i drive in a 94 e320 sportline with a 5 gear automatic race box with 17 inche rims and michelin hp pilot tyers i bought a 98 spear engine that had 20,000 miles on it fore 1250$$ (that one will be modified and tuned to the max) i was lucky tho normaly you pay about 2000/2500$$ fore it, you can get 190 e fore about 1000 upto 3/4000 and so one even the classicks are very cheap its the same with bmw a 530 i 24 v will cost you about3500/4000 $$ those are middel age cars and so one porsche 944 about 2500$$ and up the 928s about 3000$$ with the 928s4 from5000$$ and up and so on.

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Big D,

Is that US$ or Dutch? I have been thinking of a Euro 500e purchase and shipping to the US, of course the car has to be in excellent shape, (i.e. no damage, clean title, etc.). With the money saved I could easily have the car sent to Kleemann and have a Kompressor added, what a Monster! I am not after resale value over here, just performance as I plan on keeping the car for a very long time!! Can you contact the shop in Cask and find out what a 500e Kit would cost? Any dyno charts and spec's would also be most appreciated.

P.S. Can you locate any Euro articles or links (any language) about the 500e, 91-94? Mainly interested seeing what the Euro Tuner's have done, (although this may be hard since the car is past its prime for the tuners).

Ross

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to second roas's notions...I too would love to see what is out there for the 500E/E500 AND the C36. Since the C36 already has the engine displacement maxed out and all the other tuner tricks done (hot cams/valve timing/variable intake/etc) the only alternative is forced induction (superchargers/kompressors or turbos) If Kleeman has anything available for the C36 AMG I would be interested.

Thanks for whatever you can dig up...Lee

Hey Big D,

I was wondering if you know of any 190E 2.3-16V supercharger/turbo kits available? Much appreciated. THank you. Also, you're right, many people are horrible drivers here in America. It's very upsetting.

Regards,

Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V

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ps i saw an messege about a e500 from 92 in thise forum and i chekt it out. overhere you pay about 7/8000$$ less fore the same car ...

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BigD,

Thank you very much for the email correspondence! A 88' 500CE would be something that would make any MB owner's heads snap. If its true that you can pickup cars of this class for around 10K to 12K US I may have to seriously consider a Euro purchase with a spare engine like you said!! (Since the Goverment in the Netherlands requires a complete vehicle inspection before the vehicle can be sold this really takes the worry out of the buying process) Then off to Kleemann for the Kompressor treatment, and may as well get the McClaren rebuild if I can swing it!
I'm in no hurry to purchase (2-4 months) but a mapped out project car is the only way to go.

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ok its usa curensy, also last time i spoke with the dutch kleeman tuners they told me they have a compressor kid fore the v6 v8 ,s and the 500. so yes i belive you can make the 500 the ultemate ferrari killer. i just saw a 500 e 92 full uptions 18 inche rims fore 17 k looks brand new also if you buy a car here you can have it covermend chekt so you woned buy a pice of rubbich with nice paint .. fore 24 k you byu 3 300 ce 24 vl from 88 in new state . i wil send a magezine cald the car trader to the board host and he can put the bargens ore the diverends of prices on thise board. ore i can send some mags to the individual who send me the 15 dollars withs cuvers the costs to send the mag over. and you boys can see fore youreself . i belive im getting to mutchs on my roof here i am willing to help you guys out with the info i got. but the mags about prices and picture say it all, the funny thing is that euro people are importing usa cars fore manny years specialy the clasicks and the old street maschiens and cars older than 25 years because they are tax free . also the rezen why those big fast mercs and b.m.w are so cheap is that the road tax is very high including the insurends and the gas is 3 times more costly than in the usa the withs makes the smaller mercs and b.m.w a more valuwed car. hope thise info helps you man out a bit .

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wel i ges so yes they do touring car racing overhere and turbos yes also i now a man who put in a e300 24 vl engine in hise 190e he bild it himself its a wolf in sheeps clothes

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Originally posted by Clinton:
Hey Big D,

I was wondering if you know of any 190E 2.3-16V supercharger/turbo kits available? Much appreciated. THank you. Also, you're right, many people are horrible drivers here in America. It's very upsetting.

Regards,

Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V

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So Big D,

One more favor, I know that you are getting alot of responses to your statements. It's just interesting what kind of a market you have compared to the ever popular Japanese cars here in the states. If you could, I'd really appreciate it if you could provide the URL for the companies that have these upgrade options. Or just any other contact information that you may have available. Thank you very much.

Regards,

Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V

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Clinton,

Try a search in the upper right on "kleemann", you will find several posts. There might be useful info in there for you.

Here is Kleemann's link, http://www.kleemann.dk/start.htm . From what I read (Lee's attempts) they are slow to respond, maybe its because they deal mainly with Euorpean customers I've no idea? They only have the capacity to satisfy dozens of Mercedes speed junkies and the Worlds largest market for cars over here in the U.S.? A call may be better, Good luck.

Ross

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