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Ive had one before. It was back in the early eighties. I didnt like it very much. It was 5.0 117 motor in a @ 85 201. Auto trans with no known suspension or brake mods. It was fast in a straight line but the ride quality stunk. Its too front heavy with a cast motor. It makes the car feel real short too......... Not to derail your thread but im thinkin of building a late model CLK drag/bracket race car. I might even try a 129 chassis. I think I can get one into the 10's pretty easy and drive it home. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/images/icons/icon6.gif Cool |
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Austin TX ... bummer. I need a guy like you here on LI to put my extra 4.3L AMG engine in my Jeep.
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Balcones- that's interesting that you experienced that; I had understood that the aluminum m117 was actually lighter than the m103 (original motor for my car).......maybe this is not true after all, or perhaps the difference you noticed could be attributed to a different distribution of engine mass?
I plan on using the more powerful 5.6L motor, so I will have slightly more power and displacement to play around with. The car has had significant suspension modifications, although I'm sure everything will need adjustment after I install the new engine. The other thing that will need some work is the wheel/tire combination, which can certainly affect over/understeer. Lastly, I will be using a 16v steering gear box instead of the looser standard 2.6 box. Any progress w/ the m119 reiner? Don't know if you saw my previous post, but how do the crankshaft and transmission input shafts match up with your adapter plate?
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-the adapter plate as it is now, will have the center of the tranny shaft at the exact same place as the center of the crankshaft. -Dont want to modify the tranny shaft either, thats for sure. I am gonna make the custom flywheel that way, that i dont have to adjust the crank or the tranny shaft. No more news yet, to busy with a lot of things, and now 3 weeks on a holiday! So August or September pictures of the adapter plate, after that fit the package in the 190 engine bay, and see if its doable. Then, when i know its doable, i'm gonna make the flywheel (lot of work i suppose...) |
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6 speed manual to merc v8
Hi
I am doing a very similar conversion to the one you are talking about. I am fitting a Lexus v8 with a nissan 6 speed out of a 350z. Like the Merc, the Lexus v8 was never fitted with a manual box, so that has saved me time looking for a factory flywheel, they never made one. Also, the gearbox came from an engine with a dual mass flywheel, which is a lot deeper than a conventional one, meaning the spacer/adaptor and flywheel need to be deeper than you might expect. I did consider shortening the input shaft of the gearbox, but this was going to be more trouble. I got an adaptor ring and flywheel made up by a local engineering shop to my spec fairly cheap. I am using the standard flexplate under the flywheel to mount the factory ring-gear, so i can use the origonal starter position. The only thing i am unhappy about is using the standard 350z clutch which is very small for a v8 (in fact it is too small for the 350z engine it is supposed to be fitted to), but there are lots of uprated aftermarket cluches for the 350z so if I have trouble i will fit one of those. there are several pictures on my website here http://uk.geocities.com/jpsubsea/index.htm I am fitting the engine/box to a W110, i think it should fit without too much trouble. |
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This is just my own experiment with high performance OM602:
- Bigger auto 722.3xx used with V8's fits perfectly inside W201. Only difference is electrical connectors. - Getrag used with 190E 16V-models is fairly heavy one and handles torque up to 500 lbs/ft. starter is on the left side. bolts right up with OM60x engines. - BMW E39 M5 clutch assembly can easily handle torque from V8, but not the diesels. |
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pardon my ignorance but what are the OM602/X series of engines?
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can an m5 clutch be used in a MB??
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that is the five cylinder diesels found in 190d 2.5 and 87 to 88 300d (or so)
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KICK!
My 190 v8 project is in the freezer, mostly have other things on my mind. This way it'll take 20 years to finnish it, but what the heck... Anyway, today, I bought a brand new Sachs racing clutch of ebay.de. Its a sinter plate, and a special .... dont know the word in english... Pressure plate? The guy also had a secondhand 2-mass flywheel for sale, for not much. Looked at it, was very, very heavy, maybe heavier than a FULL torque converter. Thought that it is to much hassle to use it on my m119. Bolt pattern not the same, starter gear not the same, center hole not the same. But what now? Plan was to fabricate an alu flywheel, but now im thinking that'll be TOO light. Any ideas? Dont want a dual mass flywheel... Clutch plate itself is 240 mm, so I wil need a flywheel thats at least 270 mm. Any ideas? Think european, dont have acces to USA automobiles... |
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Dude there's a guy just came on www.mercedes190.co.uk with a M119 fitted 190E (not you I'm guessing!) who might have info! Hope this is useful
Russell
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Nice to see!
Not a lot of help though, because of the automatic gearbox, and the right hand drive. Things like the brake servo and steering box are on the other side of the car, and maybe not on the EXACT other side of the car. But the greatest help though is probably the pics of the engine bay, and the fact that he has lowered the steering box, and only made a custom pitman arm. Thats a lot of help to me! by the way, yesterday a went through my shop, and found a steel flywheel from a Citroen XM 2.1 turbodiesel, and that is just big enough to fit the M5 clutch. But I need to change the flywheel completely (mount holes, surface, center hole etc.) But i have a round, flat, steel thing thats: -MENT to be a flywheel -big enough -a bit heavy So im happy |
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