Fitting a merc 6-speed Manual box to a W124 E300????? - Page 8 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

NormCcoupe · #**106** 10-06-2010, 10:27 PM

Yeah, one guy on mbworld dropped a C32 engine in his C320. Over $1,000 and a be VIN later it's running. The manual transmission in the W203 is very robust lasting hundreds of thousands miles. I'll take your suggestion and keep looking for a manual.

muuris · #**107** 10-12-2010, 11:37 AM

Does anyone have a clue how big bore is the clutch master cylinder on 6-speed models? I bet it's bigger than in older models.

edit: d=19,08mm which is same as in older ones. The cylinder itself is different but same bore.

JayRash · #**108** 11-18-2010, 01:34 AM

guys i have under my hands an almost new 6speed box with all its parts from a W211 E240
will this bolt to an M104?

I hope it does for then my AMG will be six speed
do tell guys

MAG58 · #**109** 11-18-2010, 12:19 PM

There was an M119 (4.2) That has a 6 speed manual? O.o

Pics are a must, and no, sorry, wont fit. The V8's and M10x have different bell housings...

JayRash · #**110** 11-18-2010, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAG58

There was an M119 (4.2) That has a 6 speed manual? O.o

Pics are a must, and no, sorry, wont fit. The V8's and M10x have different bell housings...

So where did u see a manual M119??? too bad that it wont fit

thou i doubt the cables and shift would fit a 202.

MAG58 · #**111** 11-18-2010, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayRash

guys i have under my hands an almost new 6speed box with all its parts from a W211 E240
will this bolt to an M104?

I hope it does for then my AMG will be six speed
do tell guys

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayRash

So where did u see a manual M119??? too bad that it wont fit

thou i doubt the cables and shift would fit a 202.

Nevermind, 211 is the M113. Isn't that a 4.3 though? And were you talking about a manual or a 722.6 auto? I figured it was a manual considering it's a manual thread...

JayRash · #**112** 11-18-2010, 04:18 PM

Bob, that W211 is a V6 E240, dunno what the engine size is exactly in Liters since merc has quit its trusted name calling the car depending on size. but i guess its the manual of the M111 that fits

and even if it bolts finding a flywheel and matching input shaft length and then i need to custom fit the cables and all that.

too much down time for the car i guess. Who knows maybe this coming year ill get on it if i end up keeping the AMG (otherwise ill be buying some newer AMG).

Chlippo · #**113** 11-18-2010, 05:04 PM

W211 240 is a 2.6 liters

ke6dcj · #**114** 10-08-2011, 06:02 PM

In short, nothing concrete for a 6-speed manual in a M104 or M103 W124 ?

:-( neil

tjts1 · #**115** 10-08-2011, 06:12 PM

M111 6 spd will bolt up.

Joe B · #**116** 03-11-2014, 12:12 AM

OK, so the details are still not all in one place.

1. M104 - has 2 variants. CIS-E and HFM injection.
2. Flywheels differ for these models, regardless. One has the chopper ring for hall sensor, the other has missing tooth ring for VR sensor. Both of these flexplates are for automatic transmissions.

3.CIS-E Manual M104 engines used dual mass flywheel.
104 030 12 05 – dual mass flywheel, LUK 415 0023 11

4. Dual mass clutch is different:
124 250 02 01 – clutch kit, LUK 623 1668 00

5. Flywheel bolts: 6 x N007984 008003

6. Flywheel Bolt washers: 6 x N912004 008102

7. Pilot bearing: LuK 410 0109 10 or Sachs 1863 869 031

Now, for the 716.6xx series gearboxes, they will bolt up. same bellhousing pattern for m102/3/4, m111.

Input shaft length - Not Known (exactly) with reference to bellhousing flange (gearbox mating face).

What is known: m111 engines used dual mass flywheel.

What is unknown:

Dimensions of flywheel (from crankshaft flange to clutch face , pilot bearing location, diameter (less important)

716.6XX throwout bearing travel (measured).
Can adapt aftermarket (tilton) concentric bearing with appropriate spacers also?

8. Shifter - from the SLK A1712670124 in lieu of the rod & cable mechanism.

9. Propeller shaft front section length (will be longer) - does it match to a currently available existing MB part, or will it need to be fabricated.

For CIS-E m104, flywheel will likely need to be custom. Automatic flexplate can be used for chopper ring and starter ring gear. Flywheel centre will need to be fabricated to match appropriate pressure plate and clutch.

Throwout bearing may require to be customized - either spacers or aftermarket toroidal bearing etc.

If the idea is to use off-the-shelf MB parts, more information about the flywheel dimensions is required.

If the dual-mass flywheel is a bolt-in swap, with clutch and pressure plate, then a lot of the unknown can be taken out of the equation instantly, as these parts are readily available and can be measured. From there, if a single mass flywheel is desired, the dimensions can be replicated as required, positioning the pilot bearing, and throwout bearings in the correct position for proper operation.

Alternatively, there may already be an off-the-shelf solution already available - if in limited supply (m103 single mass flywheel for CIS-E?)

Does anyone have the missing information above???

input shaft length - relative to gearbox bellhousing flange
flywheel depth of dual mass flywheel - crank to clutch face.
pilot bearing location for m111 - where the gearbox originally came from - with reference to crank and bellhousing flange

Armed with this information, a swap for an auto in an older m103/4 will be easier.

MAG58 · #**117** 03-12-2014, 06:10 PM

First, a M103/4/111 flyhweel has 8 bolts not six. There is a company in england that makes single mass conversions for the sprinter (the name fails me) and it will bolt up to all of the above given it's the 2.7 sprinter.

To the best of my knowledge the DM flywheels are all the same thickness for these. I'm using a combo of diesel stuff and newer DM parts in my M104 swap with no issues in my DM 717.432. All the parts were designed for 716.6 boxes. I'm not using factory trigger wheels though which differ for all cars.

Why would you need a new Throw out if you're using a dual mass flywheel?

DMBO swapped a 716.6 into his turbo cosworth. He stated how thick his spacer he made into his factory single mass was and he spaced the pilot into the DM location (which is in the flywheel), he used the stock shifter, modified to fit. His thread is on 190rev.

carat 3.6 amg · #**118** 04-03-2014, 12:12 PM

Guys, I'm in the process of fitting a 6 speed to my m104 kompressor. I'll keep you posted how it works out, but the gearbox, clutch, and flywheel are already bolted up to the engine.

hismajestics · #**119** 09-05-2015, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carat 3.6 amg

Guys, I'm in the process of fitting a 6 speed to my m104 kompressor. I'll keep you posted how it works out, but the gearbox, clutch, and flywheel are already bolted up to the engine.

Bump... any news here?

JayRash · #**120** 09-06-2015, 05:10 PM

I know a guy who mated the six speed box to a 55 Amg engine in a 202.