Yeah, I thought you'd give me a little more credit than that! I was having some fun at the other guy's expense. I'm pretty sure he was serious.

Ed. Still don't get why people compare a performance built Merc to a rice burner Just to clear up for others, a 'RICER', as I was alluding to, is a jerk that flaunts around in a 'stock' turbo Jap car, thinking he can beat everything around with his 380bhp car, knowing didly squat about performance mods! A 'RICE BURNER' can mean any Jap car I guess.

I drive a 'rice burner' as my daily. Reliable, great car to drive. No question. I have an original 88' Mazda 323BFGT (akaSS) stock EFI, turbocharged, IC'd in my garage that I'm parting out. I've owned an special import Corolla EFI, turbo'd, IC'd bla bla also so.....think I know a little about rice burners?

My question now is, what the hell has this Merc build of mine got to do with Japan? I still don't get it

For the last time, I am REVAMPING an already modified 300E! I have decided to take it on a a project, not to be compared to a rice banger but, to finish off what a jerk started 8 years ago now & stuffed up! I couldn't care less if it beats a quad-turboed Supra, highly-stressed weak-sealed rotary Rx4/5/6/7/8......it is a "personal" project.

Hopefully now this thread can return to informative, FUN stuff

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Magnum, I'm no mind reader & this project has never been easy or enjoyable. The end result will be however. Sometimes perhaps, comments are unnecessary? Let's leave it at that.

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No, if you want to be a thin-skinned, woman about it, you got what you had coming.

come on guys, back to the sbj yes some shops can have u lose ur mind. Back when i did the car it took my shop 4 months to install the kit which was made to fit the car before hand. Once i got so upset at the shop owner that i had chest pains and in the end i just left since the car was not worth me gettin a heart attack.

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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

That's nice to say about another member Magnum. Shows character If you honestly had been having fun @ the 'other guys' expense, you'd have quoted him. Also perhaps PM'd me? Then, I would've known your intent! Otherwise, it just sounded like you were supporting him, carrying it way outta hand. Btw, when I stated I'm no mind reader, I was referring to not knowing the intent of your remarks. Nothing to do with not foreseeing workshop pitfalls I'd encounter.

Sorry to all who do respect other members rides/builds for these last few sad posts by 2-bit backyarders, simply commenting for their own gain

Now to move on with this awesome build for those who are serious I'm not entertaining anymore stupidity.

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Jay

I've learned over many years to "go with the flow"....
Anything beyond today's norm usually takes much more time then one would ever imagine !!!
I prefer getting it done correctly over quickly...

I sometimes forget that I'm doing a widebody build and my only concern is that it gets completed before the installer dies...
If I die I could care less, if he dies then I got a lot of sorting out to do !!!

Of course even with time the end result depends on the ability of the installer !!!

Ed A.

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1971 280SL ROADSTER
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO WIDEBODY
1994 E320 CABRIOLET
1999 C43 AMG
2005 G55K AMG
2008 CLK63 AMG BLACK SERIES

Ohhh Eds i forgot u still have the car at the installer

Yeah my 4 months are nothing to your wait. i know ur car will look amazing

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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

Besides the shop continually promising me they would do this & that & never coming up with the goods was fact I managed to source a low klm, strong engine with great CR, still running in donor vehicle @ point of sale. Then, after reading the common issues had with head gaskets & the like. Knowing engine was just sitting in shop. Especially with sump off on stand for a while. That erked me bad.

After speaking with shop guys. They guarantee (haha) the engine can sit for a fair period without risk of problems. Then there is the rebuilt trans & new turbo sitting there month after month. Again. Shop states they use a special compound on the box bands that can sit for yonks & actually has to be soaked for 8 hrs or so to remove prior to oil added & used? With turbo, again it's treated with compound that keeps seals etc OK for a long time?

Still. I hate knowing engine is just sitting without fluids running through channels etc. THAT is the thing that stresses me to my soul. Would've been better to have tuned it over at least now & then?

I know after car is on the road it'll be back to shop to have chassis stress points weldd up/plated & guards to be sorted for 8.5" rims etc. Upgrade 24V front breaks etc.

It's the "putting me off" & "not phoning me" that has caused me trouble. At first car was a going concern for them then, it became a burden sitting around.

The main concern I have when it does leave the shop is the stock diff handling power. I know it will break a tooth should I belt it & it grips the road all of a sudden. If I take it easy, maybe it'll last a while until I can afford to source a stronger unit or LSD, as discussed in earlier posts?

Apologies to MagnumPI if, indeed he was shat-stiring in reply to the silly post by other member but I wasn't to know this was the case, due to the way post was made?

All good afaik guys & thanks for private correspondence tbo, I don't look @ this car as costing too much any longer. Sure. Alot @ once but if car is practically having electrics & running gear either re-newed or revamped, I stand to have a reliable car that will be trouble-free for many years to come. 20 odd k to get you a professionally-built performance Merc that will last many miles in the future? What's 20k get you that has your own input & new parts in a chassis that is quite basic. Dunno about others but I think the w124 platform is simple, reliable & easy to maintain. No hydraulic mounts, too much electric gadgets. Simple strong engineering. Best. An engine solid as a rock, unopened that can handle mega power. If you factor in having to rebuild a weaker engines internalsto cope with extra grunt dumped @ it to achieve the same results (that's if you can find a low klm 1 in great nick as I did?) are you really building a cheaper, better car?

After all. This 300E has travelled 55k kms (30k odd miles) since new. Factor that in & what do you have?

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Thats true! but a bolt on kit is supposed to be norm. unless you have a real enthusiast mechano in the garage your car will take time and time and time and $.

I have seen major turbo work done on a VW golf (1980 or something) in a lightning fast way and very professional. But when it comes to merc's it always become un-common lol

Like nick.ged said a little way back. Common cars (I include 'rice burners') are like a klit, everu cnuts got one! I dare to be different

Bit of personal trivia for those disgruntled members who may think forcing an older Merc is a waste of time & money! As an 18 yr old, down here in OZland, I owned a cheap-ass stock Valiant Charger (basically a Dodge equiv' in US). Stock, it rocked. 4.3L straight 6, carb, 3 speed floor shift. It would lite em up in every gear, inc' reverse. Heaps a fun. Then one day, I stumbled upon an R/T E38 TrackPack full race version, get this, with a Garrett T03 on the zorst manifold & 3" system, adverted near me in QLD @ the time. All I can compare the performance to (for the time = late 80's) was a friggin aeroplane on wheels. It had bad lag, due to the 48mm side draught webber feeding it & too low CR (found this out when I stripped engine down to return it to stock CR for triple 45mmm webbers that were orig'), BUT, nce you got to 2500rpm......plant you fair in the seat & you held on for dear life. Would SLAUGHTER any decent V8 around the streets at the time. I mean completely embarrass them. Btw, it was a Tangerine Red/Orange sort a colour with black bumble-bee (as they called it back then) stripping & all-black interior. Mint cond! These go for as high as $200+k today! I sold it back in 91' for $5k. Only made 33 if I recall of these 'track-ready twin fill chassis cars.

Why'd I mention this? My Merc is red with all black interior (except the red accents I've done), & turbocharged! So, doesn't take a genius to see I am merely re-kindling a time I enjoyed a 1-of-a-kind rare performance car in my youth. Back then. No workshop knew squat where I lived about 'properly' FI'ing cars. Now. They do! Now I can afford to get it right with the Merc. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT

So. It has sentimental value I guess. Even before I got t home. It's a friek, just like the Charger was I owned. I enjoy that aspect about cars. I've owned a few unusual/limited-build cars in the past. Now. I want to end up with a car that I won't get bored with & therefore will have for good!

Main thing that erks me with workshop is that they aren't getting on with the job. Not the pitfalls. They just aren't moving along at any rate of speed. Nothing to do with it being a Merc. They keep pushing my car aside, to finish their regular customers. They are doing the same thing with another guy's older S-type? Jag. As they've even admitted!

Thought this would clear the slate abit from 'unwarranted' comments/posts?

Tim.

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I am beginning touching up the aesthetics side of the wheels I purchased. The outer lip damage in particular that 2 of them suffered. I'd say they were damaged in a racing accident when looking more closely. I'm grinding then filing/sanding the outer beed surface of lip to try & blend in the lip edges & cover over chips & scrapes etc.
Not that easy with forged alloy I can tell you. Surprisingly hard metal.

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For the OZ crowd contemplating FI'ing their particular Merc (with OR without LPG conversion as some beleve this "negates" the necessary EPA test) & want it 'engineer certified', here's some cold hard facts to consider carefully:

After speaking @ length with a prominent emissions testing site, VIPAR, here in VIC:

If you modify a car significantly. Alter the factory settings that effect the standard emission levels provided by manufacturer, IE: FI, regardless of whether you convert to LPG or not & therefore obtain the installers compliance plate for the engineer, you are still required to do the EPA designated ADR emissions test, prior to being provided with an engineers certificate. This is simply due to not being able to provide the engineer with appropriate vehicle manufacturer's specified emissions specs for the alteration/s (mods), as in an available factory turbo ECU, MAF, sensors etc etc,) for the car you are converting to FI (obviously the particular vehicle model was never manufactured & sold on the market with FI), you must have the emissions test performed to ensure emissions satisfy the particular standard specified by the EPA! This then gets handed to the engineer whereby he gives this part of the certifiaction the 'big tick"! Only if you FI a vehicle that was factory produced in the same model ie: you throw a turbo, ECU etc etc on a 323 Mazda that has a model in the same year sold with factory FI, can you avoid the EPA test.

Sorry for the long=winded right up but I wanted to clear the points up for any Aussie (VIC anyway) forum member who feels the urge to FI their non-turbo modeled car

How stringent the test depends on year of vehicle. Pre-June 88' test is ADR 27C = less stringent requirements to be met. Post June 88' & it is a ADR 3700 test which is harder to pass. Btw, test is $1600 a time. Takes 2 days due to 2 separate tests to pass. 1 in the morning when below certain environmental temp'. This is what makes for an extensive dynotune needed, PRIOR, to make sure AFR's are consistent across rev range or @ least on average when calculated together.

In my case, I therefore need to satisfy the guidelines layed out in the ADR 27C emissions test. obviously due to no original manufacturers specifications being met (there is no specs haha)

So. In a nutshell. As long as the tune meets acceptable emissions levels on all 3 points. It's $1600 you coff up. Also, no matter what ECU you use, factory or stand alone, it still is all in the tune when it comes to EPA acceptance & passing that part of the VASS signature that you have to obtain for registration purposes!

P.S. WORLDWIDE:"HAVE A GREAT CHRISSIE BREAK ALL"

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its different for every state, only in the last year has that **** come in over here, so its still pretty 'loose'

also, im sure with the turbo technics set up im sure they would have had all emissions data about them, so maybe you could work with that??

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'85 190, unrego'd (prospect track car)
'87 190e, manual (kinda rare in australia)
'89 260e

Just got back from a bit of a stink away from home with kids Yeah Dearlove, I'm on to that at this moment. Don't know if there is any readily available data though? Certainly trying to get at it that's for sure!

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