I found this while browing Benzworld.com

D-Jet M117 mated with a manual transmission of some type...

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That's my engine. On the picture it's mated with a MB Manual trans 4 speed out of a 3.5 M116. Since then I have taken it out and am in the process of transforming it into a 5 speed. This 5.0 engine was grafted a 4.5 D-jet intake manifold, but will run with Megasquirt.

Unfortunately this does not serve our purpose since these early 5.0 alloy block engine had retained a similar bolt pattern as the earlier iron blocks while later M117s on 560s and M119s have a different bolt pattern. Both my flywheel and clutch bell would be too big.

LOL oh, ok looks cool tho, would love to drive a Mercedes V8 manual

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I have an automatic trans bell housing coming that I believe will fit a M117. I have thought about looking at an auto housing as it looks like a perfect candidate for a bolt on trans adapter. The depth of the housing will tell the tail.

If that bell housing is detacheable from the trans then it may not fit the alloy block M117/M119 bolt pattern. All these trans were in one piece. Post the part number when you can, I will check on EPC.

the t56 has removable bell housing. i am in the process of fitting one to a 103. the 103 has same bolt pattern as 104 and 111.

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"some mods improve your car and make it into something it never was, other mods, however, although essentially the same, are not, and make that car a ricer"

if your car isnt shiny, you dont know what you are talking about, remember; paint shine = knowledge. In order to be taken seriously, you should spend all your money on paint, (and get a dyno reading).
Dont forget to polish it often

I see.

The (loaner) auto bell housing came today. The part number is R 210 271 08 01. Any idea what engines it will fit?

It is a very nice piece!, and is a perfect candidate for use as a manual bell housing for the engines it will fit. I want to look at a housing that fits a 61X engine for that application as well.

I will take some pictures tonight of the 265 bell housing, the R 210 auto housing.

I got a response to my inquiry regarding the T56 trans to bell bolt pattern. They said;

Hello David,

Thank you for your interest in the Tremec Product Line. Have you contacted Quicktime bell? I believe that Ross (641-673-4468) already has a bell housing for your application. Please contact us if you require further assistance.

Regards,
Rob


I have not followed up on the lead. Does anyone have any knowledge of what they may have already?

Tremec + Mercedes. (not mine)
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img1822004.jpg

I measured the trans to bell housing bolt pattern of the 265 bell housing. I have to put it in the computer yet to play with bell housing options, but I am very confident that the bell housing issue is handled.

I am still talking with TTC about the T56 trans to bell bolt dimensions, but I am very confident that I can mate a 265, T5, T56, or virtually any trans with a removable bell housing, to a bell housing that will bolt directly to the engine. The bell housings will require machining to work and an adapter will need to be machined to mate the trans to the bell housing.

I have bell housings on the way for a OM 61X and OM 603. I need to find out what engines the bell housing pictured will fit, but I believe I found one for a CLK RWD. Any one know what engines this will bolt to? Part # is R 210 271 08 01

Pictured is a Getrag 265 bell housing next to the mystery bell housing.

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http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp?TP=1&F=209365&M=112.955&GA=722.618&CT=GA&cat=23V&SID=27&SGR=020&SGN=02

I think that's it. CLK 320. 112 engine. Apparently shares characteristics with the 113??

Update: The 113 does indeed use the same housing, I checked the CLK430 and 55.

Nice work. If I get another bell housing I hope I can add to this thread for the M120. I think it may be the same as the M113.

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You know I had an idea on making a template for the patterns using dowel centers, threaded for the bolt holes. Just an FYI, I haven't done it yet, but seems like a credible way to take those measurements.

http://www.wolfcraft.us/images/photographs/2970-DowelCenters.jpg

You can get threaded and non-threaded measurement inserts like you are talking about. Some have balls that are measured as apposed to a pin.

I have made them for odd threaded or diameter holes, and if made well are a reasonable method to use for set ups or location quality measurement.

I think the best way to get the T56 trans to bell housing bolt pattern is this way, as TTC said that the T56 is no longer produced but they suggested the T56 Magnum. I get the feeling they are not going to provide the info.

Any one that is going to use a T56 will have to get one anyway so they will have the bell housing to measure then.

The bolt pattern for the auto trans to converter housing, they call it, should be the same regardless of the engine as the transmissions were the same from what I understand.

I am not sure where this leaves us. I am working with two gentlemen who have housings and are deciding what they want to do depending on the cost.

I have housings for an OM61X and OM60X coming. I plan on using a 265 on both. The MB housing in the picture belongs to one of the gentlemen I am working with. I would need to get a trans to proceed.

If anyone that seriously wants to move forward with this development project and is willing to send me the parts I need for their combination, I will do the design and machining work at a discounted rate. When completed they will have a trans of their choice bolted to a MB bell housing that bolts directly to their engine. Don't get too excited and forget about the pedals, drive shaft, flywheel, etc.

I am pretty sure that I will be doing a 265 for a OM61X for one of the Gentlemen. That CLK housing is SOOO nice, I would love to work with it too!!

I encourage interested parties to PM me so we can talk privately.

Dave

I took some last measurements of the 265 bell housing before I sent it back.

Looking at the CLK housing, there is enough room, (diameter wise), to use yoke and external slave cylinder with a 265 trans. I think there is enough depth as well, but I that would depend on the fly wheel and clutch assembly.

I like the external slave cylinder as it is easily serviced. I found some hydraulic throw-out bearings that would fit well, but they recommend a 3/4 inch dia master. I have not looked at a MB master, but from memory it is no were near 3/4 of an inch. A step up cylinder could be made to make up for the smaller master diameter and located where the external slave would go to make the MB master work with a higher volume slave.

So if the bell housing issue is handled, what is the situation as far as manual flywheels go for the desirable engines?

Edit: I just recieved a price for a 61X converter housing. $397.00 ea Part # 115 250 770 5