V12, twin turbo.... Time Allen would die from the awesomeness

"The 5.0 L M119 was also adapted for racing with the addition of two turbochargers. It won the 1989 24 Hours of Le Mans in the Sauber C9 and was further used in the Mercedes-Benz C11..."

Stock M119, 700whp. It's supposed to make more power than the v12 (without a rebuild).

whipple, @ least you asked for folks opinion so, imo, fark the big V12 lump & go with a more sensible option as the V8 Whats the point in giving yourself a pita project when the results will be similar. Unless you really want to use the V12 engine?

Whatever you do though, it'll be mad........

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um.....why have men got nipples

I have no intentions of messing with a v12. The main reason I have never gone to a v8 is the cost of parts. Just stock gaskets and timing chain etc. is a lot of money. Did not make sense to spend a couple of thousand in gaskets to get what I could with the m104. I am just reaching the point of spending a lot more money on my car to go further and leaving that ability to really just drive it behind and it is really pretty fast at this point. I want to get the headers done and injectors and some minor changes to the setup and I think it will be pretty much there. I realized to go much further would be going down the road of custom rear end and so on. I am already afraid the driveshaft is going to come through the floor if I put slicks on it.
So I am left with a new project. The w126 coupes I have always loved and I think that a full slammed out drag car would be fantastic. I am talking pretty much a purpose built drag car and a long term build. The reason for a m119 is because I think with sleeves and a custom bottom end it could make well over 1000hp. As far as fitting turbos they would go behind the headlights. This would not have P/s or any engine accessories besides a alternator.
I also just love my w123 wagon and would like to make it a lot quicker but do not want to give up the mileage. So there I am with going with cdi. The reason to spend 10k on a car to get better mileage and have 2-3 times the output from the engine in a car I like. I also like the project. It also does not make any sense to mod a car for performance I could easily just buy a faster car. I could work at a fast food joint and make enough money to buy almost anything I want for the time I spend learning and thinking and planning and building and starting over because I want it different than it turned out. I could probably have a couple Ferraris in the garage by now. I figure I have 10-15 thousand in my car on top of the original purchase not including any labor. Anyone that thinks that going down this road not just for entertainment and because you want to is fooling themselves for a cost analysis. But going from 20-30mpg to 40mpg or more is a big jump do the math on 15k a year and 4.00 gallon fuel. I drive quite a bit more than that. Right now I do 400+miles a week. I could pay for the cdi upgrade in about 5-7 years. When fuel is 6 per gallon it will go quicker.
Any ways maybe I will do both in the future. I saw a euro w126 coupe for sale the other day and it was almost to much to resist. Then again one at a time. I think that this will have to get put on hold and the cdi may be next.

Whipp i think ur doing the right thing
http://www.marcusfitzhugh.com/CLK/190Blue.html
but pls use spaces in large posts

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

I talked to Bosch Motorsports again about the diesel ecu. It seems around 5,000 will get me going. This includes the 1,000 dollar tuning interface and software. The guy that does the diesel stuff is very nice and really into it. Seems like he will help out a lot more than the gas guys. I just need to decide on and find an engine. I think I might go with a 0m648 or an 4 cylinder from Europe. I would like the 648 because I could get great power and fuel economy.

All right. I ordered a om648 for the w123 wagon. I am planning on trying to get the factory ecu to work 1st. If that fails then Bosch Motorsports. I am going to solve the DAS issue with a early DAS module that does not require a key. Or maybe figuring out the messaging for das to the ecu and then replicating it. I am going to program the PCS tcu to transmit the correct data on the CAN bus for it to work and have a factory tip shifter in the car. I am then thinking a PCS touchscreen logger like I have in my coupe for an Instrument cluster.
I just bought a CAN analyzer and am getting a lot of info from others. I need to integrate the tcu with factory systems anyways so same work to get this up and running. Hope it is not to daunting. Also thinking about a om613 ecu if the 648 one gives me to much trouble. We will see.

So, I have been reading and breaking down can messages for a couple of weeks. I have most of what I need for integrating my tcu into the factory environment. I am going to try and get setup next week to give it a try.
As far as drive authorization, I do not see that the messages are that complicated. I am going to give it a shot and see if I can get a car to start without the EIS in. Record and simulate the messages. If it works I am going to drop for a factory cdi module and eis. So I can read the messaging and the code the tcu to send the drive authorization codes.
Hope this all works.

wow!!

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'85 190, unrego'd (prospect track car)
'87 190e, manual (kinda rare in australia)
'89 260e

exactly my thoughts

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Jay,
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-1995 Blue W202 C36 AMG (M) SOLD ;(
-1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady)
-1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman
Twin turbo Kit).
-1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen)
-1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady)(Sold)
-1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen)(Sold)
http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

a far cry from dropping in a cam, bolting on a set of headers, a performance intake with a bigger carb, and changing distributor springs

one of my delusional swaps would be dropping a BMW mid 80's 745i turbo motor into a 124, be a sedan or coupe, with either a 5 speed or auto

a lot of potential power, a lot cheaper, then a Mercedes motor



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So, I talked to a guy about the das signals. After I actually sent the start signal to a car. I figured it would not be that hard. It turns out it is some sort of encrypted linear algorithm.
Which makes sense. I figure just get it up and running with a EIS in place and worry about that at a different time.

bahaha, yeah, just figured t would be some sort of encrypted linear algorithm, totally...

Well done for going this far!! It would be awesome if you could work it all out!

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'85 190, unrego'd (prospect track car)
'87 190e, manual (kinda rare in australia)
'89 260e

I talked to PCS about this. We may give it a try. I am still going to set it up with the original das system to start.

I have some news on this front. I have a stock ecu coming in for the om648.
I have a guy that thinks he might be able to disable the immo in the code. I am sending the ecu to him. He has a bin file for another ecu that if the code is set up the same in the files that he should be able to duplicate this in the diesel ecu. I would have the stock ecu in a standalone setup. No DAS. This would be huge. It might also be able to be run without other computers or CAN messages as it is a bin file for running the engine on a engine dyno.
I would like torque reduction for shifting but this is not necessary. I will update when I have more info good or bad.