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Old 09-15-2011, 01:10 AM
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Smile Turbo diagram M104 E320 help!

I am a noob. I want to upgrade my w124 M104 3.2.
I want to install a single turbo that engage only in a high rpm which will allow me to drive my car around 80-100 km/h with normal fuel consume.
I just only need 50hps+ around 3000-6000 rpm

I draw this diagram base on what I v been reading from this website.
Mostly base on Mr RBYCC recommendation.

Could you mind to correct me and help me pin point the part that I need to accomplish this project?



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Old 09-15-2011, 01:38 AM
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Mr RBYCC suugest that I can use the Split-second to control the injector (I find it in Ebay)
My first question is there are many LPG ECU BOX &software here that I can buy around 250$ which connect to the car ECU directly . Many of my friends tune their 6 LPG injectors through notebook through this LPG ECUbox and it seem quiet easily for a noob to accomplish a good run. (It take a signal form an existing sensor of the car I guess)
Is it possible to use this LPG ECU BOX to control the addition FUEL INJECTOR? with out the wide band O2 sensor?
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:41 AM
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Ok this is the update diagram base on the engine bay
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Old 09-15-2011, 11:47 AM
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where exactly do you plan to install the additional injectors??
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Old 09-15-2011, 11:50 AM
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read the last few pages of this post, they have tons of helpful info and pics on the subject (thanx to the contributors )
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:42 PM
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where exactly do you plan to install the additional injectors??
I really have no idea
as I said I am such a noob
I just know that I need an addition injector but have no idea where is the place to put it. Also I doubt that how can a single addition injector can reach the six cylinder in the same amount.

I know that I may just put my car to the shop and ask them to install the turbo. but I would love to know more about the system.
I love to learn new thing ^^
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:44 PM
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read the last few pages of this post, they have tons of helpful info and pics on the subject (thanx to the contributors )
thank you very much I will spend this night on that thread ^^
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Honestly, if you've got the 320 engine that has EFI, I wouldn't go the Split Second route. Ed, if you're reading this I really have no intention of trying to be smart, but if you've already got EFI, why use the SS injector?

He can purchase an SMT6 control unit, stick it on to his ECU, and he will have all the tuning ability he needs, along with a much easier interface to use than MegaSquirt. I think it's much easier, and less than 100$ more expensive...

If you only want top end power, it will be difficult using a small turbo. Because by the time it will need to engage and pump out power, it will be close to maxing out. Now if you REALLY only want 50 horses, it's fine.

Ed, what do you think?
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:23 AM
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For 50 hp to 100 hp I go with nitrous.Less expensive kit.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:33 AM
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Honestly, if you've got the 320 engine that has EFI, I wouldn't go the Split Second route. Ed, if you're reading this I really have no intention of trying to be smart, but if you've already got EFI, why use the SS injector?

He can purchase an SMT6 control unit, stick it on to his ECU, and he will have all the tuning ability he needs, along with a much easier interface to use than MegaSquirt. I think it's much easier, and less than 100$ more expensive...

If you only want top end power, it will be difficult using a small turbo. Because by the time it will need to engage and pump out power, it will be close to maxing out. Now if you REALLY only want 50 horses, it's fine.

Ed, what do you think?
The M104 uses HFM injection but still isn't an easily "tunable" EFI....
The Split Second unit only has the ability to fire additional injector(s).
TurboTechnics used the additonal injector on the M103 ( qty 2), early 3.0L M104 ( qty 2 ) and later 3.2L M104 ( qty 1 ).
The additional injector(s) were installed in a throttle body housing/adapter.

The theory behind the TurboTechnics kits was not to disturb the stock functions of the vehicle.
Reason is because the kits were installed on new delivery 124's that carried the factory warranty.
In essence two discrete stand alone systems, one for the stock engine and the other for the turbo.

I'm not familar with the SMT6 but it may be a very viable option if it can interface with the late model M104 fuel/spark engine management.

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I did my home work.
this is what called the throttle body right?
there is a cylindrical rubber extender that goes from the throttle body to the overhead manifold.
all the part around the throttle body is made of rubber or plastic
Do you guy have any suggestion how can it firmly mouth the injector around this area? can I just only drill that cylindrical rubber and stick the injector in?
Also what is the purpose of that boxy shape plastic that cover the oval hole on the right of the throttle body?

my question is?
1.Should I replace cylindrical rubber with custom made cylindrical steel with the injector mouthing build in place?
2. Should I custom made a new boxy shape with some area that allow me to mouth the inject and stick it through the cylindrical rubber extender?
what do you guy think??
thanks you very much

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Old 09-16-2011, 03:08 PM
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I did my home work.
this is what called the throttle body right?
there is a cylindrical rubber extender that goes from the throttle body to the overhead manifold.
all the part around the throttle body is made of rubber or plastic
Do you guy have any suggestion how can it firmly mouth the injector around this area? can I just only drill that cylindrical rubber and stick the injector in?
Also what is the purpose of that boxy shape plastic that cover the oval hole on the right of the throttle body?

my question is?
1.Should I replace cylindrical rubber with custom made cylindrical steel with the injector mouthing build in place?
2. Should I custom made a new boxy shape with some area that allow me to mouth the inject and stick it through the cylindrical rubber extender?
what do you guy think??
thanks you very much

TurboTechnics replaced the "rubber extender" with a custom aluminum casting that held the additional injector.

Some on this forum have used the "rubber extender" as a mold to make a piece out of fiberglass.
The rubber is not able to support the installation of the injector where the rigid fiberglass can accept an injector.
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it would be easier to just use bigger injectors and piggy bank system to control them, on my car i have 36lbs injectors from a volvo they fit straight in without any modifications and i am using a megasquirt ecu to control the fuel side, and the spark is still been handled by the HFM ecu.

that reminds me does the resistor switch (the round thing with a S/N and some numbers) on HFM work the as on cars with the ezl modules. i.e each resistance is a different map with different ignition retard values?
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:05 PM
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ummm I have one more question?
I once had an experience with bad gear transition and found out that the vacuum line that connect to the gear was leaked
so
when the boots overcome the vacuum from the engine ? What is going to happen with our gear?

Ok I did my homework lol

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Old 09-18-2011, 02:05 PM
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Did Turbo technics provide a installation manual? for their turbo kit?
I have read their PART list and their installation step by step but with out a picture it quiet hard for a noob like me to follow.

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