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Rev. Buzz 11-03-2014 12:20 PM

Hotrod 560 /m 117
 
Is it possible or worth while to put a set of euro 350 /m116 heads & cams on a 560/m117 motor ? What intake is best ? Can the larger 560 valves fit ? Exhaust manifold / tri-Y headers off a 500/m 117 ? What kind of compression & power is possible ? Forgive my ignorance .
Thanks !
Rev. Buzz

Tony H 11-06-2014 09:40 PM

Since no one else has chimed in I will throw in my .02. I wrote a big, long post and chucked it because it was too long. IMO 3.5 heads and cams would be a downgrade on a 5.6 (smaller valves, ports, more valve shrouding, less lift on the 3.5 cams). Stick with the 5.6 heads and intake. It would be really expensive to upgrade 3.5 heads to 5.6 specs and the combustion chamber would get bigger in the process negating the reason for using them. If your goal is more CR it gets VERY expensive. The US motors have a hugh 30cc dish in the piston to lower CR. You can't just drop in high CR pistons unless you could find OS ones and have the block bored because from the factory each piston is indivually sized to the bore. I have seen 5.6 engines with 4 different sized pistons. Nothing will be inexpensive to do.
I am toying with the idea of building custom headers using reworked Ford SB ones. You can buy several sets to cut up for far less than the tri-ys. True the time will be much more but I like doing that sort of thing. There are some "hotter" cams available but not sure a low compression engine would benefit much.
Even in it's stock form the 560SEL is a pretty quick car so a good, stock 5.6 would probably get you what you want with improved exhaust and FI. Now my new post is longer than the original

oldsinner111 12-19-2014 10:06 AM

In the old days of Mustangs,we used 289 heads on 302s to raise compression.

Dubyagee 12-19-2014 11:50 AM

Or mill the deck of the head. Don't know what all that would alter on a Mercedes.

alabbasi 12-19-2014 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony H (Post 3404962)
I am toying with the idea of building custom headers using reworked Ford SB ones. You can buy several sets to cut up for far less than the tri-ys. True the time will be much more but I like doing that sort of thing. There are some "hotter" cams available but not sure a low compression engine would benefit much.

I might be convinced to donate towards such a project :)

Tony H 01-11-2015 10:35 PM

headers
 
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Here is what I was thinking of as the basis for the headers:
1 1/2" primarys and the routing looks very similar to the original manifolds except the left rear pipe might interfere with the PS box. They are from a early Bronco.


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