check out:
http://www.roarinc.com/

for air filters and hyper chargers. I want to order one, tell me what you think.

P.S. They have poweer filters for C43 but it's not listed.

Hey Rocky....I checked their web site out and it looks like they have some very cool products, but after fooling around with trying to find where the info was (what they have and how much), I said forget it!

When it comes to doing web sites, sometimes less is more!

A very confusing site indeed, and they dont even list any products for Mercedes, so whats the point?

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Chris Ecklund
98 300 DT

Yeah, I e-mailed the company....I would encourage you too also. Took me 5 minutes just to find an e-mail address! What a total joke! E-mail them and tell them that no site is better than the one they have.....hehehehehe

E-mail them at-> <a href="mailto:roar@idt.net">roar@idt.net</a>

Ok...for the models selection follow these instructions

goto www.roarinc.com

Press the "Product" button

Then click on "INTAKE"

Then click on "ORDER" at the bottom of the page

Then click on "PRICES"

Another window should pop up and the prices are right beside the model.

Hope this helps.

[This message has been edited by Rocky (edited 09-14-1999).]

P.S. I think they have many other applications, just not listed. Email them....tell them i sent them to you...maybe i'll get a free filter? haha

Hi, all I check out their web site, but what I found was something like a K&N air filter with heat sheild and that's about it. ( correct me if I am wrong )
The list of information was limited, so I can really take a good look at their product.

Also What is the charger thing ? I suppose is just a pipe with a turben right ? Anyone had experience ? Is that any effective ? ( kinda of interested.

I talk to a guy from renntech along time ago they said the best thing is to keep the factory air box with factory replacement air filter from K&N that way we won't be sucking in hot air produces by the engine ??

I had tried with those cone intakes on my M104 engine. I can't tell much of the difffences. The sound was good, but I would recommand the factory air box in a hot summer day.
Pete regards

I recall a "turbine" type intake device that Car&Driver tested out on a longterm BMW 540i. It made no difference in measured power, times, or fuel mileage. To the best of my knowledge Peter/cheyun is on the right track. Keep the OEM airbox, just get a higher flowing filter. If there is ANY restriction from the filter the K&N should help. If your engine can't benefit from more air then no intake will really help without doing other engine work first.

Hope this helps...Lee

I was able to find the models and price lists for Mercedes Models eventually. There may or may not be any performance upgrades with these filters. It may be an item to help customize the engine bay and produce more engine sound. It does look cool! If K&N can make a filter that outperforms so can other companies? I have a 1998 E430 and K&N makes no replacement or cone type filter to fit and I beleive K&N does not make heat shields for there cone filters. K&N has lost my business by making me wait!

Hey man, if you like it, get it, we have probably changed/upgraded other things like mufflers,wheels and body kits that only have visual/sex appeal to our MBZ's without 1 ounce of added performance. I know I have.

Kevin:
Putting big rims and low pofile tires will get you to go faster ! putting a cat and muffler will gain performance on high speed.
You are right, is better off doing some visual apperences upgrade ( as most Mercedes should ), rather then performance upgrades. Because most Mercedes like the one I have just cost too much to make 3600 pound car to perform more. If I have something more copetitive MB like a 500E or C43, I would concern more on the perform sector.
Seriouslly I don't think those air intakes are worth 300 dollars. They won't do nothing but suck more hot air into the engine. ( slow you down a lot !
You can get an Akimoto corn intake, they are made by K&N, with a heat shield. I seen people customize their intakes and it looked pretty good.
Simplly buy some plastic pipes and get the filter on. Then build a heat shield besides the engine.
It should work, couple my friend did it to his M3,and itergra. The one on the integra worked out pretty good in cool dry night, but the M3 didn't get much out from it. ( few weeks later he took them back out and installed the OEM air box back in. )
I am not objecting anything, but telling you the actually fact of the product. Why putting something on that doesn't do you any good, but worse to the car ?
Pete regards

O.K. first i like to say that i thought putting up a post for performace air filters would help us mercedes owners since performance parts are hard to come by, especially for my C36. K&K DO NOT MAKE A STOCK PERFORMACE PAD FOR MY CAR AND MANY OTHER MERCEDES. where else are we supose to turn too?

I would also like to say that the filter charger fan is a motorized fan that can be turned off and on with a switch i think.

As for home made plastic tubing. It might be OK for Honda's and Acura's but not for me when it comes to my Benz. And of you own a Benz, you expect to pay a high price for parts. If your whining about the price, why are you driving a Benz? Go get a Civic. Why do you think Renntech and Brabus and AMG charges so much?

As for people at Renntech. they must be hippocrites for saying that a performabce filter doesn,t do any good. I just went to thier page and saw a SLK performace package that includes a K&N air filter in it. Same with the C43 performance package.

As for bigger rims and tires make you go faster. last time i heard, more weight actually slows the car down. i think it was in Sports Compact car magazine that when they compared a difference of HP on a Civic, they found a loss of up to 20 hp when moving from the stock steel wheels (14 inch) to 17 inch rims and tires.

As for sucking up heat. i dunno about you but i took apart my airbox and found that the ram air inlet would be right in front of the ROAR air filter with the heat shield. The cold air would go straight into the heat shield opening.

And about the performance side of things. Not all bolt-ons gain you power. Take for instance the VR6 engine. No performance exhuast can do any better then the stock but people still change the exhuast. Why? for the sound, the looks. It's what make my car, MY CAR.

I read posts about chipping normally aspirated cars like C280 etc. No real point. the specs that the chip builders give you includes a performance air filter. I know first hand that SUPERCHIPS claim on HP increases with thier chips includes the HP gains of a performance air filter. So how much better is the chip without the filter?

I don't want to burn any fingers just trying to help you guys by posting whatever i find on the net for Mercedes enthusiasts.

Thanks

P.S. HKS has a performance subdivision called KLASSE and do make another air filter for the C36. But i chose not to buy it as you have to replace the filter and cannot be reused.

1997 AMG C36


[This message has been edited by Rocky (edited 09-15-1999).]

I apologize if I insulted you. As we are all trying to contribute more after market parts for Mercedes, and I know there are not much available. I was just trying to point out the negatives that I been through.

For the renntech part, I think they have customize large air boxes along with the factory air filters.

Maybe that air filter is good, I don't know .
But the stuff you do to an Honda, are pretty much indentical to what you can do to a Mercedes. ( it is not a matter of money )
Cut weight, camshaft , enlarge displacements,
etc.. Stuff for a NSX from mugen doesn't cost any cheaper then Brabus or AMG !
That is why they have this ultra light rims available. Have you seen any Japanese car turner magazines before ?
Do u know how light they can get ?
A E-prom allows the power to remain, and pushs you car all the way through redline.
For my friend's VR6, his chip allows the car to have a higher redline and remain its power after 6000. ( OEM chip will cost the power to drop after that )
Again I apologize if I insulted any of you I was just trying to help and learn that's all.
Pete regards


[This message has been edited by cheyun (edited 09-15-1999).]

don't worry, we are all here to learn and teach. Someone eventually will step on somebody's shoes. Just depends on how you take it.

As for the filter. I'm still stuck with only 2 choices. (neither of which is K&N) I do really want a K&N style filter replacement pad, but they just don't make one.

Not in a good mood today (check engine light is on, busted front lens for which they discontinued to sell for the Canadian market), had to buy a whole new housing...blah blah...dog and cat is acting up....Calgon...take me away!!! so that's it for me...talk to you guys later

The K&N is available for the ML320, and the E320 K&N is promised by November. I'm not sure if this is first, or the last of the month but based on my experience with K&N, probably the last of the month.