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Old 12-13-1999, 09:25 AM
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Having finished my first autocross season, it is time to get a 2nd set of wheels and tires. Everyone i've talked to swears by kumho's. I've yet to hear about hoosier's. Any experience with either of these tires?

Next year i'm looking run all of the NNJR and NYR scca events. And maybe the national event in Kansas.

Also, after looking into "The One Lap", i NEED track time inorder in fully participate. I've got a 1986 civic si that i'm thinking of putting a cage in, and making a safe learning tool. I could then use this car in the "claimer class" of the 2001 "one Lap", and not worry about my C43.

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Old 12-13-1999, 02:41 PM
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Noah,
I know many BMW crazies that are loyal Kumho followers. Mostly the ex RM3DR1 crowd...(used to be BFG R/1 crazies) It seems they all now like the Kumho's. I believe MB DOC had Hoosiers on his car last I saw, but you will have to ask him about that.

Hope this helps...Lee
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Old 12-13-1999, 08:02 PM
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Hoosiers- very sticky, don't take long to heat up, but life is short, and (on a roadrace course) once they get hot and go away, they are GONE and you'll be doin the slippy dance.

Kumho-I have no personal experience with, have heard both good and bad- I've heard lots of praises from ITA honda guys, But complaints from ITB vw guys (they say too long to heat up and one side of the tire is designed softer than the other,,therefore they can't be turned around and run the opposite direction) I don't know, like I say, I have no experience with these yet

BFG-comp T/A everyone in the porsche club and all the SCCA A-sedan racers loved em....But the new BFG G-force is another story, all the porsche club guys and SCCA A-sedan guys hate em! A SCCA pro team was doing some testing of the new BFG G-force at heartland park early in the season. I know one of the drivers personally and he was complaining that they couldn't get any speed out of the G-forces. Guess what tire they were using as a "control"(baseline) for their testing????Hoosiers!

Toyo-my choice on my roadracecar and personal favorite. Toyos are not as sticky as hoosiers,BUT I have been able (through religious rotation) to get 10-12 race weekend out of the toyos. The hoosiers don't last near as long on my particular application. The toyos take a lap or two to "get em hot", but they are very,very stable tires,,and if you start to get a little abusive and overdrive them (to the point that they feel greasy),,you can just back out of it a little (200-300rpm) for about a lap and they come right back! They can also be rotated (turned around) to run either direction. They only need to run the required direction if you use them with full tread in the rain. I use full treads for rain and shave all my "dry" tires to 3-4 32's of an inch.

Just my observations after racing and instructing for 6 years for scca,BMW,&Porsche club events.(in the midwest region)

Some specs on my car: 1986 190 2.3 16-valve
2680 pounds w/driver+2gals of fuel
-3.2 front camber, 1/16 front toe in, 11deg pos caster.

-3.0 rear camber,locked diff (3.69:1 gear),no rear toe

Hope this helps

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Old 12-15-1999, 09:26 PM
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Have used hoosiers, kuhmo, & bfg's. Other opinions are simular to mine, I run hoosiers because they will get me there faster. The kuhmos are a good steady tire, but over a second slower. Ran soloII for 3 yrs & hoosiers were the fastest on rear drive cars. If you got the "bucks" then use the tires that will help you WIN!!
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