Mercedes W201 190 V12 engine swap - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

panZZer · #16 10-25-2016, 05:46 PM

I would imagine the zonda engine has a few lbs machined off each crank counterweight,,
ive done it to a old GMC 270, (that's how you change an animal from being a slow revving turd) fun fun fun!

johan84 · #17 10-28-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by panZZer

I would imagine the zonda engine has a few lbs machined off each crank counterweight,,
ive done it to a old GMC 270, (that's how you change an animal from being a slow revving turd) fun fun fun!

could be

johan84 · #18 10-28-2016, 12:38 PM

So i got the engine removed now from the chassis
and it is really big

now i have to look what i need from the orignal car and what can be sold in parts. the only thing that needs to be removed from the old chassis is the rear axle.
here is a video from the engine removal

https://youtu.be/HHZSRnXo7FM

johan84 · #19 12-02-2016, 12:52 PM

i have some update on the project

i sold the empty donor car so i have some space back in the garage so i can start with removing the
engine and drivetrain of the 190
but first something about the engine electronics and why i'm not going to use the OEM mercedes engine electronics

https://youtu.be/TnW8sdzZBD8

martureo · #20 12-02-2016, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 97 SL320

I found it, here is the turbo V12 Toyota guy

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/performance-paddock/288708-190e-sportline-project-now-v12-gt4088r-t56-14.html

Also have a look at this.

M120 V12 Kit Car finally runs.

And there is someone on out list that inserted the M120 into a R107 so do a search for that.

Something to think of on the MB V12 , it was quickly introduced to take a run at BMW and provide the smoothness that a V 12 offers so I wonder if development was cut short. I don't think that just going to an aftermarket FI system is going to cure all ills, but I do expect the stock MB system to be tuned more towards squishy luxury performance.

Frustratingly, the M104 that is the basis for the M120 seems to do pretty well thought is a bit soft below 2,500 RPM making it curious why the M120 is considered a RPM dog.

The Zonda engine is AMG tuned so there could be some hope.

At some point I'll get going on my R129 track day car project, I had dismissed the M120 due to weight an am going to stick with a 3.2 M104.

Is the early 2000's twin turbo MB V12 a M120 or something different? This might be a more direct route.

I've seen one of these in person. There wasn't enough room left in that engine bay to drop a single penny into.

johan84 · #21 12-26-2016, 04:27 PM

so got the m102 engine also removed from the 190
so the modifications can be done to fit the v12 in the 190 engine bay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MttE0LGXwk&feature=youtu.be

Admiral Ahani · #22 01-13-2017, 04:31 AM

Sounds like a wild project, I can't wait to see!

johan84 · #23 01-13-2017, 04:40 PM

so the last weeks i work on the radiator build in and the subframe is done also i have build in the
w210 steering housing
and found a leder 2.3 16v interior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitHgqF68Us

spock505 · #24 02-08-2017, 04:56 PM

Brilliant, looking forward to progress reports.

johan84 · #25 02-17-2017, 04:55 PM

got the engine in the engine bay and it fits pretty good
i got enough room in between the engine and radiator
also in the back of the engine there is still some room to put
the oem interior fan cover back with some modifications
the fan will be placed on the place of the battery
because the cover needs to be moved about 3 TO 4 CM to
the firewall
also very important the hood will close without any problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0VtYDYe6cQ

spock505 · #26 02-18-2017, 04:51 AM

Fantastic, very enjoyable.

Are you thinking of putting in extra vents to take away some of the heat when standing?

johan84 · #27 02-22-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spock505

Fantastic, very enjoyable.

Are you thinking of putting in extra vents to take away some of the heat when standing?

in the oem engine bay it is also a very closed enguine bay
i don't think that the engine bay of the 190 is more closed then a w140
i have only the radiator in the front of the engine and no aircondition
the coolant fluid in the engine will absorb the heat of the engine also when standing still so when the temp is going up and the electric cooling fan is going to run in needs to have the capacity to cool down the cooling fluid that it will shut of again and the we have a complet heat cycle.

i need to test this but i think it is not a problem i have the oem 600 v12 cooler i personally think that a electrical fan capable of doing this
but i the first time i will monitoring this closely

but thanks.

johan84 · #28 03-27-2017, 08:06 AM

so got the new engine mounts made and welded new mounting plates in the chassis

also got the interior fan replaced to generate some extra space on the back side of the engine.

next thing will be the transmission build in

here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3x9oHju4Mo

johan84 · #29 05-07-2017, 03:59 PM

so i got a update
took me a little longer then i wanted
i have also the transmission mounted now
the transmission is modified a little
also the tunnel is raised 3 cm to get the transmission fully free
in the tunnel

here is the video

https://youtu.be/1tGBnhuXsHQ

pwogaman · #30 05-07-2017, 09:05 PM

Great work! Did you displace the wipers motor?