Biodiesel and WVO - SVO links thread.

Got my own little set up here using 5 gallon buckets lot's of paper towels and a mini lab in my basement. I haven't been able to find a free used electric water heater, but when I do I will build my own Appleseed processor. I have Girl Mark's book to guide me.

Some more pics of what I am up to will be posted at www.biodieseletc.blogspot.com.

I would like to get others closer to my area involved, too.

[H2O2]

A buddy of mine was interviewed on NPR this morning regarding his experiences with biodiesel: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4722639

I listen to NPR all morning, but I missed this article. That's great that the a national news source has reported on a homebrew biodieseler. So far, all I've heard of is local news outlets interviewing homebrewers of biodiesel.

Most everyone I tell about biodiesel homebrew is intrigued by it (especially guys). I can envision the day when people are squabbling over WVO behind every restaurant that uses fryers.

[gdemoss01]

These guys appear tp know what they are talking about and have numerous kits available to convert your diesel to run on waste vegetable oil. At some time in the future after solving others issues on the car I might try one of their conversions.

By the way I heard at a local MB dealer that people in our area steal locked waste vegetable oil containers from behind restaurants, haul it to Arkansas and then sell it for fuel (no road taxes).

http://www.greasel.com/Products.html

[dannym]

ALBANY, N.Y. - Farmers, businesses and state officials are investing millions of dollars in ethanol and biofuel plants as renewable energy sources, but a new study says the alternative fuels burn more energy than they produce.

Supporters of ethanol and other biofuels contend they burn cleaner than fossil fuels, reduce U.S. dependence on oil and give farmers another market to sell their produce.

But researchers at Cornell University and the University of California-Berkeley say it takes 29 percent more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces. For switch grass, a warm weather perennial grass found in the Great Plains and eastern North America United States, it takes 45 percent more energy and for wood, 57 percent.

It takes 27 percent more energy to turn soybeans into biodiesel fuel and more than double the energy produced is needed to do the same to sunflower plants, the study found.

"Ethanol production in the United States does not benefit the nation's energy security, its agriculture, the economy, or the environment," according to the study by Cornell's David Pimentel and Berkeley's Tad Patzek. They conclude the country would be better off investing in solar, wind and hydrogen energy.

The researchers included such factors as the energy used in producing the crop, costs that were not used in other studies that supported ethanol production, said Pimentel.

The study also omitted $3 billion in state and federal government subsidies that go toward ethanol production in the United States each year, payments that mask the true costs, Pimentel said.

Ethanol is an additive blended with gasoline to reduce auto emissions and increase gas' octane levels. Its use has grown rapidly since 2004, when the federal government banned the use of the additive MTBE to enhance the cleaner burning of fuel. About 3.6 billion gallons of ethanol were produced last year in the United States, according to the Renewable Fuels Association, an ethanol trade group.

The ethanol industry claims that using 8 billion gallons of ethanol a year will allow refiners to use 2 billion fewer barrels of oil. The oil industry disputes that, saying the ethanol mandate would have negligible impact on oil imports.

Ethanol producers dispute Pimentel and Patzek's findings, saying the data is outdated and doesn't take into account profits that offset costs.

Michael Brower, director of community and government relations at SUNY's College of Environmental Science and Forestry, points to reports by the Energy and Agriculture departments that have shown the ethanol produced delivers at least 60 percent more energy the amount used in production. The college has worked extensively on producing ethanol from hardwood trees.

Biodiesel can be used in any diesel engine with few or no modifications. It is often blended with petroleum diesel to reduce the propensity to gel in cold weather.

Danny

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[TonyFromWestOz]

Subject: Global internet biofuel resources


Greetings,

As active members of the biofuel community, we invite you to participate with us in a collaborative effort to promote the use of biofuel by sharing accurate, sustainable biofuel related information.

The past year has seen growing awareness of biofuel in many countries.
There are now many more biofuel websites and forums than in the past.
These sites help people learn to make or use biofuel. Beginners as well as advanced users spread the word in a scientific and organized fashion, making it easier to document your successes and questions.

The following list of biodiesel websites, discussion forums, and other resources offers a wealth of information. Most of them are 'collaborative'
efforts, which encourage beginners to contribute as well as learn.

We encourage distribution of this list of resources to any interested parties.


Website & Forums:
==================

The Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
- simple-to-follow information on making biodiesel and homebrewing equipment.
- by people from all around the world who make biodiesel.

Infopop Biodiesel and SVO Forum
http://tinyurl.com/bjxmw
- Great forum to learn about biodiesel, and vegetable oil fuel including information on producing it yourself.
- Participation by a global audience with a wealth of homebrewing experience.

Biodiesel Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodiesel
- With over 1900 members, this group is well represented and highly active.
- Participated by experienced homebrewers and beginners alike, this is a great companion to the Infopop Biodiesel Forum.

Biodiesel Basics Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieselbasics
- If you are new to Biodiesel then this is the place to start.
- Dedicated to biofuel beginners, this group has a large audience of people just waiting to help out with any questions you may have.

Vegoil-Diesel Yahoo Group (UK)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vegoil-diesel/
- Great forum for all who are interested in running on vegetable oil, primarily UK orientated.

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php (UK)
- Forum for UK based veg oil and biodiesel discussion and UK biofuel duty issues.

Local B100 Biz Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/
- Devoted to those interested in biofuel related businesses or groups.
- Topics include biofuel regulatory issues, ways to promote biofuel,
and ways to run a successful business.

Biodiesel Now
http://forums.biodieselnow.com
- Devoted to all things biodiesel.
- Topics are organized by type and include Biodiesel in the Press, Biodiesel Production, Advanced Production Techniques, Biodiesel Vehicles, and even regional sections for helping you connect with others near you that share an interest in biodiesel.

Iowa State University Biodiesel pages
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel
-Hosted by the Mechanical Engineering Department at ISU and devoted
to educating the biodiesel industry, this site includes a free onlinecourse
(a 26-page document covering the chemistry and practice of biodiesel),
as well as a page of 'technical papers'- theses, dissertations, and
studies-that covers many aspects of commercial biodiesel and high-FFA
oil processing.

Biodiesel Blogs Aggregator
http://truffula.net/~johnnybuck/biodieselblogs/
-A blog is an online diary. The biodiesel world has several such diarists, ranging from listings of news articles about biodiesel, to very personal essays on small-scale biodiesel business, biodiesel co-operatives, and biodiesel homebrewing. These 'blogs' are collected into one single web page at the Aggregator page.

Biodiesel books
http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/biodiesel
Biodiesel: Growing a New Energy Economy by Greg Pahl, published by
Chelsea Green publishers.
- A history of the biodiesel industry and a good overview of world-wide
biodiesel development.

Energy Self-Sufficiency Newsletter
- free download or online viewing at http://www.rebelwolf.com
- This monthly, free PDF publication covers everything in do-it-yourself renewable energy, from biodiesel to solar to SVO to ethanol to biogas.

Biodiesel Homebrew Guide: Edition 10 by Maria 'Mark' Alovert
http://www.localb100.com/book.html
- This self-published 110-page book covers homebrewing of biodiesel and some simple chemistry behind it.

Frybrid Forums:
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/
- Frybrid is a company that sells an SVO conversion kits to convert your diesel car to run on 'straight vegetable oil'
- They host a great set of forums participated by several people where all things SVO is discussed.

VW TDI Club:
http://www.tdiclub.com/ and
http://forums.tdiclub.com/categories.php
- This site is dedicated to Volkwagen Turbo Diesel Engine vehicles.
- Lot's of great helpful information for keeping your VW TDI running. Everything from tutorials on changing your oil filter to how to replace a timing belt.

Mercedes Shop Forums:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...splay.php?f=15
- Dedicated to running SVO or Biodiesel in Mercedes Diesel engine vehicles.
- With expert advice from several Mercedes diesel mechanics and enthusiasts,
you'll find just about anything you ever wanted to know about these great cars.

The Diesel Stop:
http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbt...oard=biodiesel
- Designed for people using biodiesel or SVO in Ford diesel engines.

Biodiesel Suppliers:
1- Utah Biodiesel Supply
- http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com
2- B100 Supply
- http://www.b100supply.com
3- Biodiesel Warehouse
- http://www.biodieselwarehouse.com


A Copy of These Links can be Found at:

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/onlineresources/

========================
We welcome you to any and all of the above sites and forums and encourage you to continue your education in biofuel by visiting and participating.

We look forward to hearing from you. If you have any questions regarding this email, please address them to resources@biodieselcommunity.org and they will be answered by a representative from the collaborative biodiesel community.

Signed,

Terry De Simone
John Galt
Legal Eagle (Luc)
Maria "Girl Mark" Alovert
Graydon Blair
Tilly from Paradise
Troy
Hoon
Tony From West Oz (Tony Clark)
and
The Biofuel Community Contributors

[whunter]

Project: Convert one beautiful classic car to run on used fryer oil!
http://www.earthtoys.com/emagazine.p...cle=veggiebenz

[mikeptag]

well you can add my recent thread
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...d.php?t=140273

It wasn't supposed to have anything about WVO but SURE ENOUGH, whenever something goes wrong someones going to suggest that the grease is to blame, as if a Mercedes never has problems otherwise. Although it was high mileage (402,000 miles!) and freezing weather that led to my no starting condition, the "opportunity" to be stranded at home with my head under the hood, helped me see that perhaps my greasecar system wasn't working sufficiently.

If someone can prove there is science that supports that WVO less than 160 deg F is OK for a Diesel engine in the long run, then add it to this archive for scrutiny!!

Mike

[pistokoski]

please check out my new thread and feel free to jump in.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...27#post1070327

[dannym]

What happened to the STICKY we used to have or is it all in here now?

[whunter]

Originally Posted by dannym

What happened to the STICKY we used to have or is it all in here now?

This thread was moved to the Links forum when it was started.
I am returning it because it is on topic here.

[Austin85]

FWIW:
I just went back to an old restaurant supply of mine; & went dumpster diving for a nice 100% corn oil 10 Gallons today!
The collection co. leaves the lid unlocked and they only fry veggie tempura in t the oil and it's very clean. SOmething about the smell of used corn oil...mmmmm

[Californian]

Originally Posted by Austin85

FWIW:
I just went back to an old restaurant supply of mine; & went dumpster diving for a nice 100% corn oil 10 Gallons today!
The collection co. leaves the lid unlocked and they only fry veggie tempura in t the oil and it's very clean. SOmething about the smell of used corn oil...mmmmm

Are you looking at like Japanese restaurants ?

[Austin85]

Originally Posted by Californian

Are you looking at like Japanese restaurants ?

Yep. I find Japaneese Restaurants have pretty clean oil.
Most don't serve alot of fried meats. One I go to only frys tempura veggies and some fish. Another has a seperate fryer for maet an dfor non meats.

[mercedes hawker]

Wow this thread is almost information overloaded, and then there at the bottom of the bottom was the answer to my first question. I have run out of peanut oil (super good stuff bye the way). It looks like my next supply is going to be corn oil from a mexican food restaurant. I take it from the above statements that this will work. But does it have the same punch? Which oil has the most power??. A while ago I saw some info on how much power? each oil contains, but I can not remeber the link. Does anyone out there have such a link or info on the qualities of the different oils?

thanks
mercedes hawker