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Old 11-24-2008, 06:10 PM
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87 560 SL 107 cluster removal detail

One of the chrome trim buttons on the left side of the instrument cluster on my 87 560 SL had become dislodged because 22 years of glue had failed, and was bouncing around at the vacuum gauge. I had to remove and disassemble the cluster to re-glue it. Here is a step-by-step process to do that. This worked well for me. I have seen several threads on this site about removing the cluster, but most left me a little confused. Here it is from start to successful finish.

The link to my original thread about this subject on this site is Weird problem with instrument cluster 87 560 I posted this last September, so you can see what I faced.

1. First, unhook the battery. Most say for one-half hour, but I unhooked it overnight so as not to cause the airbag to discharge during the process. Others stated to also remove the 10 pin airbag connector at the passenger footwell, but I could not find it. I removed the fuse cover and looked, but only saw fuses. I could not figure out how to remove the fiber panel that the fuse cover is attached to without stressing it, so I just took it on faith that overnight removal of negative strap to battery would do the trick, and it did.
2. Next, remove the airbag assembly. On the backside of the steering wheel, there are 2 torx screws (#27, I believe, but my torx wrenches were not marked) that need to be unscrewed. You need a rather long torx wrench to get to it, but the screws are easy to remove. Once done, you can drop the airbag assembly down and unplug the red 2-pin connector by pulling it straight out. As a precaution, I wore a full-face helmet and padded vest just in case the bag inflated.
3. Remove the steering wheel. It is held in place with a 10 mm allen screw, so you need a 10mm allen wrench to do this. It is on pretty tight, and you don’t want to put any undue pressure on the ignition switch lock, so use a 2x4 piece of wood, about 18 inches long to wedge between the floor and the wheel to hold the wheel in place while torqueing on the allen screw. I did not need to use an impact wrench; with a little pressure, the screw broke loose and came out. Next, mark the wheel to align with the splines by using a magic marker (a Sharpie in my case), so that when you reinstall the wheel, it will be properly aligned. The wheel pulls off easily, so just set it aside.
4. There is a circular black plastic piece that you will see held in place with 3 phillips screws- remove the screws and the piece and set it aside.
5. Remove the cluster. You will need a heavy duty coat hanger, bent a little bit at the end (about ¼”) to insert just to the right of the right turn signal and to the left of the left turn signal. Push it in about 2 inches and down a little, and rotate it to grab the back side of the cluster. Pull forward on the cluster, and it should come out. One picture shows the “path” of the coat hanger to get to the proper spot to grab the reverse of the cluster. Pull from one side and then the other to get to the back of it. Once the back is accessible, wire removal is next. Instrument warning light wires on the left side of the cluster are self-contained, so there is nothing to remove for those instruments. On the right side, you need to pull out bulbs # 2-5 and let the wires just hang there. Bulb # 1 is self-contained and can be removed on the work bench once the assembly is completely out. These wires (2-5) are all numbered, and the back side of the cluster is also numbered, so you cannot make a mistake reinserting the wires, unless the numbers somehow have fallen off the wires. In that case, just use masking tape and mark the appropriate numbers on the wires. The rest of the harnesses are pretty easy to remove, and cannot be confused when you put it back together. They all just pull straight out. The one in the center of the speedometer does pull straight out, but a little force may be necessary to do so because there is a little tab underneath. Lastly, remove the rubber vacuum line leading into the gauge. It just pulls straight off, but was a little tough to remove. Once the cluster is removed, I took it inside and laid it on a white towel for further disassembly.
6. Getting to the inside of the cluster. The center of the cluster must be removed to get access to each side containing the instruments and gauges, and it is easy. Use a small Phillips screwdriver to remove the 2 screws on the lower center cluster, pull it out and set it aside. Next, remove 4 6mm screws that hold in the speedo (3 are short and one is long). The long one goes through the rheostat controlling the dimmer for the dash lights), remove the speedo and set it aside. Then, remove the offending left cluster that contains the vacuum, oil pressure, temp, and fuel gauges by removing 4 6mm screws. Once the screws are removed, this set of gauges just lifts out. Once out, you can see the chrome dislodged trim piece inside. I used tweezers to remove it.
7. Regluing the offending trim. I used Gorilla glue, and it worked well. Remember, GG works great, but needs to set up for 8 hours. And, it does expand, so put pressure on the trim piece for 8 hours. See my home made clamp!
Once the glue is dry, start the process of reassembly. It is also a good time to replace necessary bulbs or repaint the needles, or do whatever needs to be done inside the cluster.
Reassembly is essentially the reverse of the above. I used emery paper to clean up all electrical contacts where possible, including all bulb and socket connections. I also cleaned up the circular contacts on the backside of the steering wheel that accommodates the horn and airbag. I put a little Vaseline on the rubber vacuum line for easier reconnection. I also used blue thread lock on the 10mm allen screw that holds the steering wheel in place. I put the helmet and vest back on when reconnecting the airbag!
8. I took a lot of pictures, and will attempt to attach them to this post. Any questions, just reply to the thread and I am happy to share what information I can. I am not a mechanic, nor inclined so, but did find this to be a rewarding experience once complete. The trim piece looks great, and everything works well. I am hopeful that I can get another 137K out of the car. We just love it!
Bob
ps I took 25 pictures, but could only attach 5, so I tried to pick the best.

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Old 11-25-2008, 04:17 AM
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Kudos to you Bob for taking the time and effort to post this detailed procedure.

I am sure many members will benefit from your experience. Your step-by-step process is exceedingly helpful and makes this a superb How-to article. Many thanks indeed!.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:55 AM
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Thanks for the kudos. So many times on this forum I am left confused about a repair, due to incomplete information, assumptions made by the writer about ability, or no photos, so I tried to be precise and accurate. It just occurred to me that I can now post another batch of 5 photos on the repair with this post, so here they are. With other responses, I can attach the remaining pictures with no hassle. Thanks again.
Bob

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Old 11-25-2008, 11:37 AM
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Bob I concur with you that sometimes, with all good intentions notwithstanding, the writers of How-to articles overlook the ability of the person to carry out a particular job. Never so true that a picture is worth 1000 words!!

I particularly liked your description in item 5. giving detailed instructions to make the wire tool needed for the job. I specifically sourced the set of tools for this particular job. Mercedes Benz Removal Tools (Pulling hooks) for Mercedes speedometer unit, it is a special tool for the removing the instrument clusters from Mercedes cars without damaging the dashboard.
as per the pics. (I have used them for so many other jobs!)





I will appreciate further pics of the job you did. Many thanks
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:39 PM
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so, you just stick those into that crack between the dashboard and the edge of the cluster housing?
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:13 PM
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so, you just stick those into that crack between the dashboard and the edge of the cluster housing?

In a nutshell that’s it. This is a very easy Tool to use, just slide in the dashboard with handles vertically until the dark mark on the spindle of the tools are flush with dashboard, then turn around left and right respectively 90 degrees and pull back.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:09 PM
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I would be very interested in knowing the exact distance that exists from the hook end of your special tool to the black mark. Knowing this, someone in the future could fabricate the coat hanger and know precisely how far in to probe before the rotation of the hooks. Thanks again. Here are 5 more photos. BTW, this site has been a great resource for me, helping me with issues like floppy sun visors, timing chain issues, ignition problem (ezl) issues, to mention just a few specifically. If my 560 is running well, I just like to cruise the site every week or so to read the new threads.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:43 PM
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Bob, thanks again for posting those additional pics. They are very instructive.
Yes, the knowledge base of the members of this forum is awesome. One never ceases to learn from the amazing feats of some of the members and to the length they go to assist other members. Great community!.

The distance from the hook to the dark mark is exactly 60mm. The hook itself 5mm and total length of the spindle 158mm. see pics.




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Old 11-25-2008, 04:55 PM
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Here are 5 more pictures pictures! I only have a few left! Note the last one shows the "path" of my coat hanger (it left the scratches) when I accessed the rear of the cluster for removal with my fabricated coat hanger tool. I like your tools better! I noticed today that you can purchase a set of these from Performance Products for $25, part # 58-053 on page 284 of their Summer 08 catalog 58M. I guess you could call them at 800-243-1220 and order them as well. I have had pretty good luck with PP.
Bob
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Do you think the depth of the instrument cluster is pretty uniform on all Mercedes? I can just make something like that out of coat hangers.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:17 PM
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Do you think the depth of the instrument cluster is pretty uniform on all Mercedes? I can just make something like that out of coat hangers.
I used this very strong wire from a model shop, used for making landing gear for model planes. Coat hanger wire is too thick and not very strong. You want thin because you don't want to distort the now 20+ year old padding on your dash.
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Old 11-25-2008, 11:28 PM
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Here are the last of the pictures of the disassembly and reassembly. I took the ones that look out of focus holding a shop light in one hand and the camera in the other-pretty hard to hold the camera still in that position! Sorry for the marginal pictures.
Bob
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Just as an additional tip (for emergencies only). If the rubber friction band around the cluster is broken, and the dang thing keeps falling out, heres what you can do until you get the time to get to the dealer to get a new one:

1) Remove cluster completely, noting which connector goes where.

2) Place cluster face down on soft surface and assemble as much of the band in place as you can.

3) Wrap 3/4" electrical tape around band to hold all pieces in place, no more than 3 layers.

4) Reinstall cluster.

The tape will provide enough friction to hold the cluster in place until the dealership opens up on Monday, or whenever you can get in for a new one.

I know, it's a jerry - rigged solution, but sometimes you just gotta make do until you can do it right. Besides, McGyver would probably approve.
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I noticed today that you can purchase a set of these from Performance Products for $25, part # 58-053 on page 284 of their Summer 08 catalog 58M. I guess you could call them at 800-243-1220 and order them as well. I have had pretty good luck with PP.
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Old 12-30-2008, 10:00 PM
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sir, I followed your directions and I had 0 problems removing the cluster in my 1987 560SL. I removed cluster with no tools. Came out very easy and no marks were left on the dash pad. It has 43K original miles. I have the paperwork to prove it.I just wanted to say thank you for your detalied directions. I may sell it because I now have other intrests. I removed the cluster and could plainly see that this is the first time it has been removed. Thanks again Richard

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