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ken_xman 11-15-2004 10:09 AM

m103 head gasket...use loctite 5900 on it?
 
As I am mentally preping to do the head gasket on the 89 300SE, Should I use the loctite 5900 on the block & head, as well as the timing cover & seals?

mbdoc 11-15-2004 04:09 PM

NO! The OE gaskets have sealant around all needed areas!

rsmcmahon 11-15-2004 05:18 PM

Is there a "rule of thumb" when to use and when not to use the Black MB gasket sealant or Loctite 5900? I never use any sealant on rubber gaskets such as rubber transmission pan gaskets or rubber valve cover gaskets - only torque to spec; but what about other areas?

I however did use sealant on the upper timing covers and around the camshaft position solenoids on my M119 engine.

Should the sealant be used on other gaskets such as water pump gaskets, oil pan gaskets, etc and like?

I'm not a mechanic by trade, but I attempt many DIY projects.

ken_xman 11-16-2004 09:21 AM

My thinking is to use the loctite on the exterior edges of the block and head.
This is where the gasket has a tendency to fail and leak continually.......???
Anyone else done this????

newkid 01-02-2005 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken_xman
My thinking is to use the loctite on the exterior edges of the block and head.
This is where the gasket has a tendency to fail and leak continually.......???
Anyone else done this????

Ken, I am thinking the same thing. I am wondering if I can do it as a quick fix.
Where can I buy loctite 5900? Thanks.

wbain5280 01-02-2005 01:47 AM

The sealant is only used for parts that have no gasket, such as the front cover on the M103. Don't use it on the head gasket.

Kestas 01-02-2005 11:24 AM

I agree with most of you. It is used to seal the metal-to-metal surfaces and gasket corners (or triple points).

I wouldn't use it anywhere on the head gasket. There is always a difference of expansion between the iron and aluminum surfaces, and the gasket has to take up this micro-movement.

I've also seen people use it in addition to elastomer gaskets, such as o-rings. This is a no-no. Again, this interferes with the micro-movement of the gasket, which may need to move while under pressure for a good seal.

psfred 01-02-2005 02:35 PM

Never use any sealant on a head gasket, it will cause premature failure. Proper sealant is already on it where needed (also don't buy one and let it sit around with the plastic seal sheet removed for long periods of time -- the sealant will set and cause failures. Leave the gasket sealed until installed).

Never use ANY sealant on rubber seals of any kind. The rubber is the seal, and the cure for a leak is to replace the seal. Valve cover gaskets have a limited life (three years or so, usually), and should always be replaced if the valve cover is removed. Proper installation is critical, else they leak instantly.

More than one engine has been destroyed by excess sealant getting into the oil passages and causing a lubrication failure (ditto for paper towling used to wipe off the oil filter fittings!).

Peter

haasman 01-02-2005 04:49 PM

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I have been looking at the StarTuned Magazine and the FACTORY SERVICE BULLETINS posted in PDFs and came across this one last night regarding Loctite 5900 sealant:

Quote:

Oil leakage at top front cover
Engines 103, 104, 120


If oil leaks where the five parts meet between the cylinder heads gasket and the cover gasket, remove the top front cover and its gasket. Apply one drop of Loctite 5900 sealant to the right and left ends once they’re entirely oilfree.

This fills the gap between the cylinder head gasket and the cover gasket. This repair can’t work if the parts are not entirely free of oil!

Dry the new cover gasket and insert it into an oil-dry groove in the timing case. Don’t use sealant here. Lubricate the top of the gasket lightly with oil so the front cover can slide over it without damage to the gasket. Apply a thin layer of Loctite 5900 to the surfaces of the front cover that contact the cylinder head.

Press all parts joined with Loctite together for ten minutes or you can’t be confident of the leaktightness of your repair. Should this repair fail, the next step requires replacement of the cylinder head gasket.
Haasman


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