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Old 12-29-2004, 02:54 PM
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Swapping the auto for a 5 speed. Opinions wanted.

Wife has a 190e 16V with an auto. The trans shifts good, but leaks a bit. The car really deserves a 5 speed, the way most were delivered.

All 5 speed 16V's came with the Getrag trans with the direct drive fifth gear.

Is it possible to use the regular 190e trans with an overdrive fifth? Would the ratios be that far off? It would be nice to have the overdrive on the highway. Are all of the 190e gas and diesel manual trans the same?



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Old 12-29-2004, 08:17 PM
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I once thought of going the other way - installing the direct drive 16V five-speed into my 2.6, which has the "overdrive" five-speed.

The biggest performance impediment to my car is the gearing, which is too tall and the ratios are too widely spaced. First and second are not too bad, but it falls on its face in third. Third gear is good for about 100 MPH, but in the 16V with the same axle ratio, its only about 80. Big difference between (IIRC) 1.67 and 1.38:1.

These torque shy, peaky engines need short, close ratio gears. There was a thread today that referenced an ebay auction for a 16V five speed including clutch, driveshaft, shift linkage, and clutch controls.

Looked like just about everything you need to do the conversion.

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Old 12-29-2004, 09:12 PM
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I would definitely go with the Getrag gearbox over any of the other transmissions offered. The standard 5-spd's are much clunkier and notchy compared to the Getrag. The Getrag is also much stronger which is why it was put in the 16v. I am currently converting my '87 16v auto to a manual and am using the Getrag. The deal on ebay looks complete, I wish I hadn't bought one yet!

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