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Old 01-06-2005, 08:53 PM
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This is where I grew up, and visit from late spring until early fall. Weather like this builds "character", so there are a lot of people there with character, although presumably not as much character as they have in Minnesota or North Dakota.
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Old 01-07-2005, 09:17 AM
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Yes, I expect it builds character in the same way that working outside in 108 degree heat does.

Have a great day,
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Old 01-07-2005, 10:18 AM
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Suggest lube-ing the shaft of the wiper with synthetic ATF before tearing into the mechanism. Fixed an identical problem on our 300E and C220.
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Old 01-07-2005, 03:00 PM
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Chuck,

Good to hear from you. How's business?

Do you mean the extending shaft or the shaft from the motor?

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Old 01-07-2005, 03:40 PM
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Business is OK but lots of changes - will email you with the details.

I meant the extending shaft that moves to make the wiper movement elliptical.
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Old 01-07-2005, 04:46 PM
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Here's a description of the repair which I saved off the old Mercedes mailing list. It's been sitting on a disk drive for five years, waiting for someone to need it. Guess I don't drive enough to ever have a need to perform it...

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One would think that every single maintenance and repair subject would have
been mentioned, some of them hundreds of times, on the various Mercedes-Benz
mailing lists over the last five years or so. I signed onto the Realtime list
in 1995, and all the others since that time, and have seen no mention of the
subject of my post today.

About two years ago, a friend mit frau were headed off on a weekend trip to
the Washington coast for a day on the ocean beach. The weather was poor with
heavy rain and as they headed down the Interstate passing through Tacoma (WA)
the windshield wiper on their high-mileage '85 190E came to a stop partway in
it's travel arc. They stopped on the shoulder and after an unsuccessful
attempt to get the thing moving, they drove slowly to the next exit and made
their way several miles to the local MB dealer. The diagnosis was a failed
wiper motor or wiper transmission. This comes as an assembly and costs about
$1000 installed, so they said. So, they rented a car and headed for home, the
trip forgotten. Upon retrieving the car later that week, the bill was paid
and soon after arriving home the cracked windshield was discovered, just
where the technician had struck it with a tool while installing the new part.
This was of course denied strongly but eventually the dealer replaced the
windshield. All in all, not a good week.

So, while driving my 95 C280 in a similar rainstorm several months ago, and
watching the wiper arm slowly groan to a stop, I saw myself going through the
same experience. Since I was close to my MB dealer I presented my self and
car at the service department for a diagnosis. My service writer (I always
deal with the same one, the "Team" concept) felt that the transmission
assembly would have to be replaced. Since my extended warranty would cover
this I wasn't too concerned until he said that he couldn't work the car in
until the following week. So, here I was with a potentially undriveable car
and no way to fix it for ten days. I headed for home, between rainstorms, and
decided to see what I could do, if anything,

Finally, here is the important part. Looking at the visible part of the wiper
assembly, there is a large semi-oval cover about the size of the palm of your
hand which the wiper arm emerges from. I wanted to take this cover off but
the method was far from obvious. Here is how I did it:

1. Raise the hood for improved access.
2. With the ignition off, rotate the wiper switch to the first position.
3. Turn the ignition on and off rapidly, so as to move the wiper arm out of
the park position.
4. Move the arm manually to the straight up position.
5. Remove the three-sided rectangular cover (lower end of arm) that extends
over the cap by pulling it straight up from the bottom end.
6. Using a sensitive fingertip or a dental mirror, locate the two small
recessed rectangular openings on the underside of the cap at roughly the 5
and 7 o'clock positions.
7. Using a tool with a 90 deg end such as a dental pick or a small allen
wrench, release the catches in the access holes while pulling the cap upward
with the left hand.
8. Now that the entire articulated wiper actuator is in plain view, you will
see as I did that the shaft that extends the arm up into the windshield
corners (twice per sweep) is very likely no longer lubricated.
9. Remove all the old grease from the shaft and bushing using for example a
cloth soaked with lacquer thinner or similar, moving the arm back and forth
to expose the arm surfaces inside the bushing.
10. Apply new lubricant and I don't mean WD-40. I used Sil-Glyde, a silicone
grease which has a working temp range of -20 to +400 deg F.
12. Reassemble in reverse order.
13. Congratulate yourself for saving about $1000.

As to the position of the release catches, the two cars I have checked are my
own C280 plus a '99 CLK430 (the replacement for the aforementioned '85 190E)
which were identical

My car's wiper problem is entirely gone and after two months is still
operating normally.

I subsequently asked two service writers plus the service manager at my dealer
if this little operation is ever done as part of a scheduled service,
especially at high mileages. The answer was no, never. I expressed some
surprise. I do see that selling an expensive repair is a whole lot more
profitable than applying a little bit of grease.

I also spoke last week to the two local MBUSA reps about this little
adventure. When I told them how I had resolved the problem there were
honestly interested and promised to follow up with perhaps a service
recommendation.

Since nearly every MB passenger car built in the last 15 years uses the
single arm wiper, I now expect all of you with cars so equipped to head on
down to the car and perform this little maintenance job, thus derailing the
sale of countless wiper motor assemblies.

- JimY
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Old 01-08-2005, 12:32 AM
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Articulated wiper stalling

Well, now, how flattering, I guess. The mile long post about lubing the slides of the articulated wiper was posted by me on the R/E list long ago (I've been kicked off, now) but after posting it, many owners of older MB's (older than my '95 C280) said their cars did not have the easily removable cover, being designed in the case of 124s, in the mid eighties. So, the W202 ('94 and up) and later will have it but perhaps not earlier models, unfortunately.

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Regardless, I am convinced that when the arm is having trouble extending up into the corners, it's a lube problem and not mechanical. And the smell is the motor getting hot under the load.
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Old 01-08-2005, 03:51 PM
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Hi Roger -

You don't think I can write that well, do you? I wasn't aware you were on this list or I would have credited you for the prose.

I'm on a different computer at the moment, but my recollection is that I pinched it from the original Mercedes mailing list - the Austin based one - not the R/E list. I never joined the R/E list - too many rules to follow.

- JimY
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Old 01-08-2005, 03:53 PM
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Larry:

intermittant bad running and rough idle can indeed be an OVP relay. Check it after running a while as see if it, and the fuel pump relay, are hot to the touch. If so, time to replace, the contacts are going south.

If you begin to get intermittant stalling as weil, is the fuel pump relay.

I'm gonna have to do both W124 wiper trannys shortly, they thump and run slow sometimes.

Peter
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Old 01-10-2005, 11:19 PM
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Quote:
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Suggest lube-ing the shaft of the wiper with synthetic ATF before tearing into the mechanism. Fixed an identical problem on our 300E and C220.
This is exactly what I suggest. I had perpetual problems with monowipers before. Used ATF and they've never worked better.
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