|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
|
Updated:Full write-up on DIY: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/M103VacuumLeak
Original posting I'm trying to survey the various ways to find vacuum leaks in the intake. I've heard of everything from brake cleaner (interrupts combustion and causes idle speed to go down) to ether (increases combustion and should cause idle to go up). The problem with these approaches is that most of our cars have a computer to keep the idle at a set range. So adding something to speed up the idle would be countered by the computer via the idle air valve. What about argon? For those not familiar with argon, it is used in welding and other processes because it is totally inert and should theoretically interrupt combustion. And while we're on the subject of finding vacuum leaks, what should we do to the engine to make it easier to identify? I could imagine disabling the computer by removing the OVP so it doesn't try to adjust the idle speed. Thanks, Robert
__________________
89 300te 222,222 92 300e 190,000 Last edited by r_p_ryan; 04-18-2005 at 01:32 PM. Reason: Updated |
|
#2
|
|||
|
|||
|
I remember seeing something on "Shadetree Mechanic" where they introduced a product that injects smoke into the vacuum system (engine off). With the right lighting you can see the smoke seep out at the leak points.
The most popular way is pretty much the way you descibed, by spraying solvent at suspect areas. In addition to brake cleaner and ether, you can use starter fluid or flow propane over suspect areas.
__________________
95 E320 Cabriolet, 169K |
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
|
I've always used a small hose. By putting it in my ear and then moving the other end around possible leak areas you can easily here the vacuum leak.
I watched my Dad do this in the fifties when I was 5 or 6 years old. Good luck, |
|
#4
|
|||
|
|||
|
Listening makes alot of sense - I hadn't thought of that. I have a stethoscope and I'll be sure to give it a shot next time.
Thanks, Robert
__________________
89 300te 222,222 92 300e 190,000 |
|
#5
|
|||
|
|||
|
Smoke testing is probably the professional standard. Stethescopes work fine, ultrasonic ear is cool. Carb or brake clean can be a quick way and more sensitive if watching the O2 sensor or exhaust gas.
__________________
Steve Brotherton Continental Imports Gainesville FL Bosch Master, ASE Master, L1 33 years MB technician |
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
J. Roncallo |
|
#7
|
|||
|
|||
|
Simple Solution
There is a very simple way to check for intake leaks. Take a spray bottle with water in it and spray around the enginge compartment. If there is a leak the idle speed will change.
The water will not damage anything. I have been using this technique for 25 years, works like a charm. |
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
|
The stethoscope and water sound like great ideas. I was thinking about how spraying a fluid would effect the idle. I wouldn't be surprised if when the fluid finds the vacuum leak it temporarily "seals' the leak, thus briefly returning the engine to it's normal idle. Water and a stethoscope sound pretty safe too.
Smoke and ultrasonics sound cool, but out the budget range of this amateur Thanks guys for all the great tips. When I'm done with my ball joints I'm going to inspect both my E's for vacuum leaks. I'll first try the stethoscope and then the water. Once I've found any leaks I'll try an assortment of chemicals/gasses to see if there's any difference from water. I also will tap into my O2 sensor to see if an amateur like me can notice any difference. I do know that my O2 sensor (and my duty cycles on X11) are all across the board. Would it help to disable the computer or plug any of the ancillary vacuum connections? Has anybody found any readily-available plugs to cap-off the vacuum lines while diagnosing? Thanks! Robert
__________________
89 300te 222,222 92 300e 190,000 |
|
#9
|
|||
|
|||
|
stevebfl wins!
Steve you are the Master!
Full write-up: http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/M103VacuumLeak I tried everything mentioned on the thread and the only thing that really worked (and it worked very well) was to monitor the O2 sensor and use some carb cleaner. It was amazing how easy it was. If I sprayed it for just an instant at the leak the O2 sensor responded. If I sprayed too much in any direction the vapor would get sucked into the throttle body and alter the sensor reading. The trick was to shoot very small amounts and be a little patient. I started by unplugging the EHA and ICV, removing all the vacuum hoses and taping the nipples, and unplugging the throttle switch. Then I took a 3mm Allen wrench and changed the mixture so the O2 reading was about .1 volts. A shot of carb cleaner at the ICV and the O2 would hop up to .8 for a couple seconds and then return to .1. You couldn't hear any change in idle speed. Cracked bypass hose on the head side. Also found the injector seal on #5 leaking. Argon, propane, oxygen and water didn't do much at all. the stethoscope might work well for a professional but I just couldn't discern all the noises coming through it. After I found the leak I tried all these methods to see if there's difference and I couldn't find one. After I repaired the vacuum leaks (temporarily until the parts come) I reset the mixture to be rich at .8 volts. Then I sequentially reconnected each of the vacuum hoses while the engine was running. When I removed the tape the sensor would drop to .1 volts, then I'd replace the hose and watch the sensor. Each time it went right back to .8. This gave me confidence that there were no leaks in the vacuum system or brake booster. I reset all the fault codes and then set the mixture control using a duty cycle meter. The car starts up much much smoother. When it was warm it could be a bit cranky at times. Now it fires up instantly. Thanks for all the tips. Robert
__________________
89 300te 222,222 92 300e 190,000 Last edited by r_p_ryan; 04-18-2005 at 01:29 PM. |
|
#10
|
|||
|
|||
|
I usually just use starter fluid. If the computer is able to immediately compensate for a change in the idle speed, try spraying some in the air intake. It will still rev up.
|
![]() |
| Bookmarks |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Cannot find vacuum line connection | awfrance | Tech Help | 9 | 08-19-2002 09:42 AM |
| vacuum pump question | Dave F | Diesel Discussion | 5 | 01-15-2002 06:52 AM |
| Where can I find a full vacuum diagram for an 83 240D? | Carrameow | Tech Help | 0 | 12-20-2001 12:49 PM |
| 82 300TD A/C problem | benchracer | Diesel Discussion | 15 | 06-16-2001 09:50 PM |
| Door lock diagnosis & repair, by popular demand | ncarter | Tech Help | 1 | 07-15-1999 11:24 AM |