Cheapy AC retrofit DOES work- FOR NOW .
 

Thank you to all that responded to my previous post regarding the same AC questions. Yes my question regarding using a modified shop vac to evacuate was well…. as I posted very naïve – however that’s why I asked and now I know. With regards to the kit working for one to two years and then – as warned -- my AC system will crash and I will face major $$$ repairs. I think that’s great if I can defer paying $2000 or more for even one summer season let alone two. When and if my AC stops working then I will just have to join the AC less club and use my sunroof ( that now works thanks to Peter of this board) and windows and a large ice coffee during the drive home.

a/c mystery
 

these ac guys make it seem like a mystery... go down to autozone and
buy you some cans of r134a and read the directions... or get the conversion kit and dive in you can do it..

i have been filling my brother's Volvo yearly in Toronto with a can R134 obtained in US without licence.(sold in Walmart for $5)
While in Canada,this is not sold over the counter.
Every year,it works for one to two months(the extent of the summer period),then next summer recharge.Better than paying some AC guy at Volvo dealership 1000$.

As my myself,I have a sunroof and joined the AC-less club

These guys make it seem like a mystery. (long)
 

That's exactly what I did. --
With regards to these guys make it seem like a mystery --I believe everybody deserves to make a good living BUT as an example - when I recently got the front brake pads replaced at a local automotive chain - I watched and was speaking with the mechanic while he slipped them on in much less then half hour. At the service counter they presented me with a bill for $ 89 for the aftermarket pads plus $265 for labour. When I questioned the service rep. he started with the mystery of how complicated the job is and the that the mechanic had to lubricate, adjust, calibrate etc.- I was wearing a suit and tie at the time and he was clearly assuming I knew nothing about repairs - I asked to speak to his boss and got the same story - I told them that obviously they were nice guys but knew nothing about cars and that they were more suited for a job at a clothing store. Then of course the store manager was called who called the mechanic who backed up my story and the bill was adjusted down to one-hour labour. WOW I wonder how many little old ladies, young woman, and technically challenged persons are taken advantage each and every day by these smoke and mirror MYSTERY explanations. I also would like to make it crystal clear that I am not blaming the Mechanics but the fault lies with the greediness (dishonesty?) of the service centres.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO mystery about refrigeration. That said, it is NOT simple. There is plenty of good information that you can read and study to learn how to properly service your a/c system. You can either study and do it right, have someone else fix it for you or you can patch it up with a band aid (One of the suicide kits like Tino used) and have it working "FOR NOW."

The keywords in the title of this thread are "FOR NOW."

Have a great day,

Take a look at EPA Test. More than you ever wanted to know and, for $15US, a license to buy R12, the good stuff. Section 609 is the one for automotive AC.

Like they say...you can fix it right now...or you will be fixing it again soon...any halfway fix is not going to last.

R12 is harmful to the environment.
 

If you want to prevent atmosphere pollution, find a way to stop volcano's. They cause a hundred times more damage to the ozone layer than R12.

Have a great day,

AAAAMEN Larry!!!!!

Larry what do you think about freeze-12. instead of r-12. look at the website freeze-12.com

You're not very educated in environmental pollution are you?
Volcano's are natural occurances, the sulfur and other pollutants are mitigated by natural processes in the ecosystem.

freeze12 10$ a can. cheaper and no retrofit replacement just fitting.

Freeze-12 is 80% R134A. Why would a person put something that was 80% R-134A into an R-12 system?

Yeah...they have a "special" tap you have to buy. Think it's around $25.

Is it neutralized through bovine flatulance?

Ohhh.. now I understand the logic .
 

Ohhh.. :rolleyes: now I understand your logic against the Kyoto Accord .

http://www.pewclimate.org/what_s_being_done/in_the_world/kyoto_enters_into_force/index.cfm

What do you expect from LarryBible? He is from Texas, Bush country. Bush's policy is putting economic growth first, and the environment...well, somewhere down the list. As seen in the U.S. government in not ratifying the Kyoto Protocol.

boneheaddoctor,
Please buddy, don't get started again with your conservatives thoughts, and liberal bashing. ;)

Larry is very generous with his time and experiences on this board. He has literally helped thousands of people over a many years. I know it's difficult to put for you to string two sentences together without bashing out current president but please leave Larry out of your absurd tirades.

I'm from Massachusetts and agree that if you found a manner in which to prevent emmisions from volcanoes you would really be on to something. Or maybe that's "on" something......

It's been more than ten years since R12 was banned yet the "ozone hole" is still there. How can that be? No mutant penguins on the south pole caused by UV rays. What's up with that?

see http://www.junkscience.com/Ozone/ozone_seasonal.htm

Cheapy AC
 

Once upon a time I was member of the Merdcedes Benz Club of America. During that time, I recieved information on how to convert from 12 to 134. If I still had access to this procedure I would send it to you. My recollection as to the most significant issue with conversion is refrigerant oil compatibility. Depending upon who you believe, there is now an oil which is compatible with both refrigerants. As for me, I had 2 cans of 12 squirrelled away. When that runs out, I will have to convert.

Then leave the left leaning aspects out...
The Kyoto agreement was a plan to screw the USA...did the fact that 95% of the worlds population was exempt from it ring any bells?

There was nothing in that agreement that would help anything becasue so much of the world was exempted from it...Namely China and India...two of the worlds most populous nations...and amoung the most polluted.

i thought this was a mercedes forum......the political forums are elsewhere. :pukeface:

BUDDY, You are not serious with what you just said right? You think R12 is the only product which helped caused the ozone hole???Compounds found in weed and pest killers also contain ozone destroying chemicals, furthermore, these chemicals are still highly used in developing countries (b/c its cheap to use), even though they have been banned or being gradually phased out in the western countries.

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From wikipedia...
Ozone depletion

The ozone layer can be depleted by free radical catalysts, including nitric oxide (NO), hydroxyl (OH), and atomic chlorine and bromine (see ozone depletion). While there are natural sources for all of these species, the concentrations of Cl and Br have increased markedly in recent years due to the release of large quantities of manmade organohalogen compounds, especially chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). These highly stable compounds find their way to the stratosphere, where Cl and Br atoms are liberated by the action of ultraviolet light on them. Each chlorine atom is capable of breaking down approximately one hundred thousand ozone molecules during the time that it resides in the stratosphere, and bromine is even more efficient. Ozone levels, over the northern hemisphere, have been dropping by ~4% per decade. Over approximately 5% of the Earth's surface, around the north and south poles, much larger (but seasonal) declines have been seen; these are the ozone holes.


Regulation
On January 23, 1978 Sweden became the first nation to ban CFC-containing aerosol sprays that are thought to damage the ozone layer. The United States and other developed nations followed suit soon after. Chlorofluorocarbons continued to be used in other applications, such as refrigeration and industrial cleaning, until after the discovery of the antarctic ozone hole in 1985. After negotiation of an international treaty (the Montreal Protocol), CFC production was sharply limited beginning in 1987 and phased out completely by 1996.

On August 2, 2003, scientists announced that the depletion of the ozone layer may be slowing down due to the international ban on chlorofluorocarbons. Three satellites and three ground stations confirmed that the upper atmosphere ozone depletion rate has slowed down significantly during the past decade. The study was organized by the American Geophysical Union. Some breakdown can be expected to continue due to CFCs used by nations which have not banned them, and due to gases which are already in the stratosphere.

boneheaddoctor,

Well said! What one must realize is that our young people are being educated by the members one of the most liberal organizations in the country, the teachers union. The kids can't help it, they think that just because they learned it in school, it MUST be correct. It's not their fault.

Have a great day,

I'm sorry, and where did you get your ideas of trying to stop natural events like volcanoes from erupting? You must think YOU are correct because you are older. However, older does not inherently mean someone is wiser.. ;)

Why would Larry mislead you to be malicious? That's absurd.

It's illegal to use R12 in a R134A vehicle last I checked, but if it came with R12 it's 100% a-okay to use. Canada could very well be different on that, so I can't comment.

Beliving that only certain actions and items such as CFCs lead to ozone/atmosphereic breakdown also is preposterous. Almost everything we do has an impact in some way, shape, or form like it or not.

No intention of offending the youger members but what passes for education these days is a joke....these kids have been force fed ideaologies adn not facts their entire "Education" and their entire believe system is rocked to find out the reality of things....For you younger guys out there...the older you get the more truth you will see in this. THings are NOT like the teachers of this generation want you to believe. I agree that is sad but its true....

I'm one of the younger members here, 19, and I will agree with you. I however did not attend public schools, I attended Catholic schools all my life. Some other kids who I've been around that do attend our publis schools make it blatantly obvious why my parents refused to all us a public education. The public schools here aren't very good at all, in fact they suck. I know some areas have nice ones though so I don't want to make a generalization and not be politically correct.

Thanks
David