Such wisdom has never been expressed on this forum before.
My sombrero off to you!!
Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston!!!
Donald, El Cheapo

Moly is the only additive that has been used for over 60 years by everyone from the oil industry to the military. It is not a "snake oil". It is a proven antiwear additive.
I have used it in every engine, gearcase, and use moly grease on every machine for the last 35 years and I have never had a failure that was caused by using moly. Used as directed you will never damage your machine and you will add years/miles/hours to its life.

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Mark
82 300SD 110k
91 Caprice SS
92 Jetta TD
97 Cadillac Concours(300hp)
84 Celebrity 4.3L diesel

Cheers mate, as we gloat over the vast huge resources of information and sharing in this forum!




ps. Heard the mardi gras was in Houston couple of weeks ago. Any MB parades too?

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... Kerry

126 tailed by a 203, 129 leading the pack.

Thanks for your comments on the Black Magic lubricant.
I too have used it on and in every application I can find for my Benz.
It's the best and only additive that performs as advertised.
Happy Trails Beep Beep from slippery Houston!!!
Donald, El Cheapo.

Moly is also a great additive to rifle bullets and barrels. The only problem is you have to hop up the charge due to loss of compression with the slick barrel. After your fire a couple Moly's your bore is coated with it and it is a great anti-corrosive

The picture of your Sailing Craft is beautiful.
Happy Trails beep Beep from Houston!!!
Donald, El Cheapo

I have also done a lot of research on additives, and decided to try mos2 in my 190e 2.6. My real hope was that it would reduce the valve rattle I hear when I first start up in the morning, and that it would help my car run a little cooler on these hot Florida days. I also put water wetter in my radiator after flushing, with a 75% water, 25% antifreeze mixture. I have seen no improvement in my car whatsoever. It is exactly the same. Guys, save your money. Put a good grade oil in your car, and change it often. You might want to try a mature product like Mobil 1, but don't expect to notice any difference. Your long term engine wear should improve however. Keep your radiator flushed and cleaned every year or 2. Some say the mos2 gets captured by the oil filter, others say that they have "solved" this problem. Maybe, but it hasn't increased my gas mileage, made my valves stop rattling at startup, or decreased my coolant temperature (even with watter wetter). You decide, but I'm not going to spend any more of my hard earned money on this stuff. Wayne Reynolds

Before you make statements as to your oil filter removing the Moly additive, you might check the sieve size of your filter and the molecular size of the Moly.
Your remarks are profound, but you might want to investigate Moly at http://www.moly.com an see if you find data worthy of your curiouisity.
No additive will remove problems with defective lifters. Those that may help are the solvent type not the VI (viscosity-index improvers) types as Moly.
A mature motor oil?
What?
As for Mobil I, that subject has be around for years, it has been discused and rediscused.
It may help your engine run cooler if you used tne recommended coolant ratio as noted in your Engine Service Manual, NOT 75/25 especially in Florida, but 1:1 coolant to water.
Living on the Gulf Coast, I rairly have to be concerned about freezing temperatures, but I still drain flush and neutralize using M/B stuff, then refill with the red stuff.
It's so Cheapo, I just couldn't pass a bargin every spring as the manual recomends.
Check the color of your coolant.
Use the red colored stuff.
DO NOT use the green crud.
Drain and refill as you feel needed.
Your RedLine water wetter is a good choice to improve the adhesion of your coolant.
I hope we don't have to go through another new members wanting to bring motor oils to the party.
Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston!!!
Donald, El Cheapo

[Edited by Donald L. Swinford on 03-03-2001 at 12:08 AM]

I DO agree, Wayne needs to understand that additives will not do repairs, and that he needs to run a 50/50 mix of antifreeze to "de-mineralized" water!

But you (and Wayne) need to visit the "Open Discussion Forum" for a much needed humor break! Come, and bask with us in this Hot Tub of discussion!

Specifically visit the "Hot Button" thread. But make sure there is someone available to call 911 for you! Or at least a clean change of under wear is available!

We're havin' a grand ole time!

[Edited by longston on 03-03-2001 at 12:15 AM]

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Northern California Wine Country...
"Turbos whistle, grapes wine..."

Hey Scott, where is this round house, am I missing the chance to show mah interlect bowt all subjexs.
Ah cowdnt spaill enganear now I are won.
Happy Trails Beep from Houston!!!
Donald, El Smart A--, E; Cheapo

Guys,

Its like floss your teeth, you don't know of the negative effects of not doing it daily, until your teeth start falling out!

If its good enough for the Military and has been embraced by the Whole Mechanical Revolution, who is it not good for?

And Donald, that last reply just about sent me rolling into the next room! LOL

You need only look as far as the initilal links past the "Shop Forums" link, then scroll (you remember scroll, like dead sea scrolls) down to the "Open Discussion Forum".

I have confidence in you, and I know yew kin dew eet!

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Scott Longston
Northern California Wine Country...
"Turbos whistle, grapes wine..."

Guys,

First off, I didn't expect moly to fix my car. My short term rattle during start up was explained to me as dry hydraulic lifters, that have to be pumped back up when my car first starts up (after being off several hours), a common problem on older cars. I was told that moly, the miracle lubricant that it is, might keep the lifter surfaces coated and the seals lubricated to a point that it might help reduce this effect. It didn't. That's all. I am just passing on my experience. I also keep very tight tabs on my gas mileage. It hasn't changed either. As for the coolant, red line says in their literature that reducing the normal 50/50 mixture to 25% antifreeze/75% water will help further reduce your coolant temperature (water conducts heat away better than antifreeze). I used that prestone water especially "formulated" for car radiators, with the 25/75 mix. I really can't tell any difference here, either.

I know we all want our cars to run better, faster, get better mileage, run cooler, etc. Just remember how many people were fooled into believing that slick 50 was a miracle lubricant, and how long it took people to catch on to this fraud. I'm just trying to save people some money. If I run across a miracle in a bottle, you guys will be the first to know. I'm still trying different things, I just haven't found anything that I am absolutely convinced has improved my cars performance. You'll have to excuse me now, I have to go pull out my Bosch + 4's and put regular copper ones back in because someone said my car will run better with copper. Good luck, choose carefully, Wayne Reynolds

Your reply was sent to me to answer. Others may have recieved it as well.
You, our knight in shinning armour, trying your best to save us poor mortals from BLOWING our hard earned bucks is to be commended.
Not many that I know were bilked into putting Teflon in our crankcases.
MoS2 is another matter and no discussion to someone so opinionated on the matter is required.
If we put all of the snake oil remodies in our gastanks and crankcases we would be manufacturing fuel not consumming it.
MoS2 did improve my fuel consumption, not much but every little bit helps.
Red Line offers many excellent products ie. Synthetic oils that surpass the allmity Mobil I, Water wetter a surphactent that DOESNOT reduce the proper dillution of de-mineralized H2O : Red Coolant as determined by all the automanufacturers and the coolant manufacturers.
The formula protects the non ferrous components in the cooling system of all modern engines.
Should, and let's hope you don't have a corrosion problem, go to Red Line with your tail of woe, after all you did follow thier guide lines.
I,m sorry to see you change from your B +4 plugs just because of something you overheard.
Most of us familiar with the nature of the beast use copper cored(the cheap ones) spark plugs and ignite them with MSD or Jacob's Systems. That little bit that helps.
Now after reading this small book, you may ask yourself how does this quack come off telling me like it is?
As you said, "just passing on words of wisdom, or something to that effect.
I don't know what other matters you brought to the forum, possibly some other member will join in, but until then,
Happy Trails Beep Beep from Houston!!!
Donald, El Cheapo

[Edited by Donald L. Swinford on 03-06-2001 at 09:09 PM]

Just had oil pan down on the 84 380se to replace right rear
piston due to previous owners misfortune of leaving one of
the metal washers for mounting the air cleaner assembly on
top of the engine inside the air filter. And guess what happened when he ran the engine after putting the air filter
housing back on. You got it, washer ended up in right rear
cylinder and ruined piston and cylinder head. Which brings me to the point of the rod bearing looking like new still
with 130000 miles on it and I was the first person to look inside crank case since it was new. There was a lot of tarnish build up inside of engine also which is a good sign of lack of oil changes. If this engine which is 17 years old and has not been properly maintained still has like new
bearings in it and since putting it back together has been running great with no bearing noise then what is the point of adding engine oil additives? These cars run forever with out them. Out of all the makes and models I work on these
cars are by far the best I have ever seen.