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manny · #16 05-08-2006, 10:53 AM

Did I miss something?
What does styling have to do with the original topic?

When manufacturers stop out-doing each other with useless gadgets and focus on what really counts ( reliability comes to mind ), we will all be happy.

Nabeel · #17 05-08-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by trueog

While both brands are great luxary brands, I peronally think BMW makes the better car in Germany. My 98 5 Series has been flawless. Sure the engine died in its first year and was relaced under warrenty, its has been flawless otherwise while my mercedes has been a nightmare for breakdowns. My wifes VW is even worse. VW is having alot of problems now with their new models and they are the worse built german car in my opinion.

Best to Worse
1)BMW
2)Mercedes
3) Opal
4)VW (incl. Audi, Por.)

Interesting that you lumped Porsche with VW. They are 2 seperate companies, and Porsches seem to hold up fairly well overall. Same goes with the newer Audis. Our W210 Mercedes cars have been fairly reliable and trouble-free as well.

manny · #18 05-08-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nabeel

Interesting that you lumped Porsche with VW. They are 2 seperate companies, and Porsches seem to hold up fairly well overall. Same goes with the newer Audis. Our W210 Mercedes cars have been fairly reliable and trouble-free as well.

Remember these are OPINIONS.
FACTS may vary slightly.

dmorrison · #19 05-08-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethan

www.leftlanenews.com has a nice story 5/5/06 on Mercedes quality

it's uses German road assistance based stats.

Thats nice, but the real problem is that ALL the German cars are at the bottom of the JD Power survey in the US.

Dave

manny · #20 05-08-2006, 01:51 PM

Yep.
One is based on surveys ( for whatever faith one has in them ),
the other is based on real life experiences by tow truck operators.

Hatterasguy · #21 05-08-2006, 02:07 PM

Not selling my MB's anytime soon, and looking forward to the purchase of a W211 or a W220 in the next couple of years.

I have never been stranded by any of my cars. Came close once with the Toyota.

So I would have to agree with the report, my MB's have been extremly reliable. Never stranded me and always started.

mushedroom · #22 05-08-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nabeel

Interesting that you lumped Porsche with VW. They are 2 seperate companies, and Porsches seem to hold up fairly well overall. Same goes with the newer Audis. Our W210 Mercedes cars have been fairly reliable and trouble-free as well.

he's not wrong for grouping those car companies...since VW, Audi and Porsche are all under the same roof...1 manufacturing plant that produces all three of brands...

mushedroom · #23 05-08-2006, 03:24 PM

also...
sorry everyone
but the new 5 series is the ugliest bimmer i've ever seen...
what a great way to make a german car look like a japanese car...
ugh...
the last 5 series was BEAUTIFUL...
the new one...SUCKS...
the new 7 series...(first prod. model) was ugly in the back but now that they've fixed the rear lighting arrangement it looks much better...

manny · #24 05-08-2006, 04:55 PM

Well, when it comes to reliability, I think " stevebfl " would be the absolute authority on this subject, as he works on ( and owns ), both makes every day.

So Steve, where are you.

Ethan · #25 05-08-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mushedroom

he's not wrong for grouping those car companies...since VW, Audi and Porsche are all under the same roof...1 manufacturing plant that produces all three of brands...

I think VW and Audi are brother and sister, along with Skoda -(Check Rep.) Seat -(Spain) and some combined manufacturing in China, Brazil and Russia. They are considered a GROUP with some detailed differences associated with marketing, German and Euro laws. I wish I knew more about there shared accounting, managment and engineering.
Mr.Peich went form designing (administrating ?) Porsche to running VW/Audi group. There was also some family connections.

Back in the seventies Porsche-Audi-VW were marketed heavily/associated by a shared distribution network. Porsche certainly develops parts with and for other manufacturers including VW. I
n terms of financial involvement it was a recent purchases of VW stock by Porsche ( there are relations by marriage) which are there only relations beyond short term shared development cost and manufacturing.
Porsche manufacturing is done in Germany and Finland and I don't think Porsche except for the Toureg twin has any shared production with VW - and I don't know that VW and Porsche share production premises.

Nabeel · #26 05-09-2006, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mushedroom

he's not wrong for grouping those car companies...since VW, Audi and Porsche are all under the same roof...1 manufacturing plant that produces all three of brands...

Incorrect. Porsche and VW (and by extension, all of the VW brands) are somewhat related, but certainly not the same company, or under the same roof, so to speak. Any Porsche enthusiast will be the first to correct you, because those guys pride themselves on Porsche's independance. Just don't mention the fact that their Cayenne SUV shares its platform with VW's Touareg and the Audi Q7.

rchase · #27 05-09-2006, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

1. Two fingers down the throat

2. Long sustained look at 2002 BMW 7 series

Hmmm,

There is one good thing about the 2002 BMW 7 series...... Someone obviously liked it a lot better than my Current S class and did a trade in

So For that reason I kind of like the styling of the 7 series

rchase · #28 05-09-2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deanyel

Looks to me like a spectacularly flawed means of determining automobile reliability.

Hmmm,

So are the current JD power surveys in my opinion... You get a couple of pissed off owners that are upset that the car maker would not bend over backwards to kiss their butt and they slam the manafacturer with bogus negative data... You also get the nit pickers that if a light bulb burns out or other simple problem with the car they slam the car maker.

In general I think the quality of cars have gone down somewhat during the years but at the same time the expectations of the buyers have gone up (the Lexus effect). I think that Mercedes could help their bad reliability numbers with some good customer service..... I had a friend that owned a late 1990's Jaguar XJS that set his pants on fire due to an electrical problem in his drivers seat.... Jaguar treated him really well and he loved the cars and kept buying them year after year...... He never said a bad thing about a Jaguar and gave them great survey results.....

As many of us have seen there are a number of people on the internet with websites devoted to their hatred of Mercedes Benz..... They all have simple problems that could be solved cheaply buy Mercedes would rather play it cheap at the cost of people killing their reputation with word of mouth.....

The thing is Mercedes cars are high end state of the art vehicles and quite honestly due to their complexity they are going to have problems. If you want bulletproof and boring buy a Lexus. If you want a world class car with the latest technology and engineering buy a Mercedes. People who just want to put gas in and go typically don't buy Ferrari's and they should probably avoid Mercedes as well.

mushedroom · #29 05-09-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nabeel

Incorrect. Porsche and VW (and by extension, all of the VW brands) are somewhat related, but certainly not the same company, or under the same roof, so to speak. Any Porsche enthusiast will be the first to correct you, because those guys pride themselves on Porsche's independance. Just don't mention the fact that their Cayenne SUV shares its platform with VW's Touareg and the Audi Q7.

Correction...
if you've ever been to europe...you'll find one big manufacturing warehouse brandishing all three logos side by side...in germany, switzerland and other countries that house PorschVWAudi manufacturing plants...
;-)

trueog · #30 05-09-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nabeel

Interesting that you lumped Porsche with VW. They are 2 seperate companies, and Porsches seem to hold up fairly well overall. Same goes with the newer Audis. Our W210 Mercedes cars have been fairly reliable and trouble-free as well.

My bad you're right. I thought Vw bought into Porsche, turns out that it was the other way around and that Porsche is one of VW's biggest share holders. Thanks for bringing that up, and proving me wrong on my mistake.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2005/nf20050926_6364_db046.htm

Mr. Piech had been quietly advising German sports-car maker Porsche AG on a plan to make it VW's largest shareholder.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06109/683371-185.stm

Volkswagen also owns Audi, Bentley. Lamborghini and Bugatti, definitely demonstrating a taste for the finer things in life, plus SEAT (Spain) and Skoda (Czech Republic).

Also did you know some VW's were made with GM Parts? No wonder, these Delphi parts care barely keep GM's running...a VW? they weren't even engineered for these car's!

"The early 1990s under Mr. Piech was a period of turmoil for VW. He started his tenure by waging a bitter four-year fight with General Motors Corp., the world's biggest car maker, over VW's recruitment of a GM executive, J. Ignacio Lopez de Arriortua, whom the Detroit company accused of stealing trade secrets. In a press conference, Mr. Piech likened the dispute to "war," prompting a GM executive to accuse Mr. Piech of "quasi-psychotic" behavior. The feud ended when VW agreed to pay GM $100 million and to buy from it $1 billion in parts."