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Old 05-29-2006, 09:31 PM
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where do i go from here 2.3 lost compression

have 87 190e 2.3, ran good on way home started missing, when i stop the engine shook the whole car, pulled off one plug wire no change in engine running, plug firing, repeated this to 2nd cyl. same, the engine would run and idle about the same with 2 plug wires off, checked compression on 1st cyl no reading where should i go from here????????????

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Old 05-29-2006, 10:00 PM
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No reading of compression whatsoever?? I would check again and all 4 cylinders. Losing compression is gradual and not only on one trip to home...

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Old 05-29-2006, 10:26 PM
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well.....unless you dropped a valve.

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Old 05-29-2006, 11:37 PM
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the type of compression tester was a cheap one the kind you hold to plug hole not a screw in type, i checked the 3rd cyl. it started to rise when first turning over engine, it turned 4 several seconds but never got 2 the min. compression lbs.
if i had dropped a valve wouldnt it be knocking, i also removed the valve cover just 4 a visual inspection couldnt see anything out of ordinary, also put in new rotary button and cleaned dist. cap
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Old 05-30-2006, 01:28 AM
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.I don't understand how people can make something as easy as checking compression in an engine so difficult. Pull the green or black wire going to the ignition module on the drivers side fender off. Turn the car over, does it sound even? If it does, then you have the compression in all cylinders. If you sucked a valve, you would not have made it home. I'll bet you it is just a tune problem, or you have a bad injector.
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:44 AM
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maybe not. i would not think it was definate as to whether you got home with a broken valve. i suspect there are many ways a valve can break.

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Old 05-30-2006, 11:11 AM
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I suggest getting a screw in comp tester. You can get a cheap one from places like Kame Apart. It may not be very accurate, but it will give you an idea. A good tester will run about $150.00, but it isn't necessary. Pull all the plugs and ground the coil wire like the guy says. You can do this with the engine hot or cold. It isn't that important. Post the results here. If you lost only one cylinder that fast, I suspect a broken valve spring.
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:21 AM
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<<.I don't understand how people can make something as easy as checking compression in an engine so difficult.>>

This is a Forum consisting of Owners and Techs..........
Something as simple as compression to a Tech is not simple to some of the owner members.....that is what we try to do here .
If you visit the Tech Only Forum, your observation may be valid.........
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Old 05-30-2006, 06:50 PM
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orginal post

had time 2 work on 87 2.3 replaced 2 injectors (used that i knew where good) no change unhooked the wires on ingit. mod, it sounded all right to me, but im just above average "shade tree". going 2 borrow scew in comp. tester tommorrow thanks for everybodys input i have a lot of parts to start changing out will get back after all cyl has been checked
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:36 PM
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another sudden loss possibility is a stuck valve. it would be accompanied by a lot of blue smoke. a broken valve or spring would too.

but a screw in compression tester is a must.

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Old 05-31-2006, 03:47 PM
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87 2.3 pulled valve cover, visual looked ok while running. ran compression chk. with professonal grade tester
#1- 55 lbs
#2- 75
#3- 170
#4- 175+-- should need at least 125 lbs to run fair, i think
going to pull head, maybe headgasket blown between cyl. or it has to be in the valves, going to find a large shade tree..
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Yep the last two are normal, well actually at the higher end, the first two are having issues.....
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Old 05-31-2006, 06:55 PM
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i once blew between cylinders on my 1960 simca. when it fired there was an odd popping hollow sound on those two.

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Old 05-31-2006, 08:05 PM
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Wink Trans Fluid......

Using a funnel, add a bit of trans fluid to the cylinder, do the compression test again. If the PSI is:

Higher = Faulty Compression Rings on Piston

Same = Cylinder Head (gasket) related problem.

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Old 06-01-2006, 01:13 AM
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If it were my car, I'd change the oil to a Diesel rated 15w-40 and drive it as hard and hot as I could. The diesel oil does clean gunked valve lifters. Then recheck the compression.

The previous 190 I had was an '87 2.3. I thought it was a basket case but the more I looked the more I found simple maintenance neglect caused a lot of problems (infrequent oil changes, old fuel filter etc).

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