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jlomon 11-20-2006 04:54 PM

Emissions Test - What causes increase of HC?
 
The car: 1994 C280 with 95,000 miles.

I just did my emissions certification on the car, as we have to do every two years. I passed, but when I compared the results to the test from two years ago, my HC ppm had increased dramatically. I had 17 ppm at idle and 33 ppm at 25 mph (I'm allowed up to 55 before I fail). Two years ago it was 0 and 0. What could cause such a large increase in HC? I brought the car into the test hot, having done a 20 mile run up the highway to heat it up for the test. I have a failed air pump, but as the car was started hot (it was on the test apparatus within 5 minutes of arriving) I don't think that has anything to do with it. I also intermittently get a code for a failed purge valve, but I just clean it out with Arthur Dalton's trick when I get the code.

Any ideas? If I increase the same amount in two years, I'll fail then. The plugs have less than 7,000 miles on them, as do the plug wires/boots and the MAF.

Thanks,

Jonathan

david s poole 11-20-2006 05:48 PM

when did you last change the oil?

manny 11-20-2006 05:52 PM

The simple answer?
1. Ignition related items ( plugs, etc. )
2. oil consumption ( minute amounts ).
3. Catalytic converter degrading.
Remember you're reading parts per million.
Just because your numbers are up from 2 years ago does NOT mean they will continue to climb. ;)

Rick76 11-20-2006 07:39 PM

What grade of fuel have you been using?

jlomon 11-20-2006 09:08 PM

David: the oil is changed religiously every three months, which amounts to about 1500 miles per oil change.

Manny: I refreshed all the ignition related items a little over a year ago, which amounts to about 7000 miles (plugs, wires and the three plungers below the coils). The car doesn't use any measurable amount of oil between oil changes. I hope that doesn't mean a catalytic converter, but with my luck it probably will. Its always the most expensive thing.

Rick: Premium fuel only, 91 Octane.

manny 11-20-2006 09:58 PM

You worry too much. :D
If the car was tested again tomorrow, your HC's could be down ( or up ) 10, 20, 30 ppm.
How do I know,........I test exhaust emissions every day ( with my own 5-gas analyzer). ;)

mpolli 11-21-2006 01:54 PM

Is there any chance it could be the O2 sensor(s) "getting old"?

Mike

cf 11-21-2006 02:51 PM

Temperature of system?
 
We have a 97 C280 with the inline 6, which have gone through several emission tests.
My experience is:
Cold -when I drove the car short trip (say, 10km) to test the HC was high.
Warm - when I drove it longer say 30km on highway to test the HC was always very low.
I believe the catalytic converter needs to warm up to perform well.



CF

tursun01 11-18-2007 09:18 PM

failed test
 
I failed my inspection test,because my HC is reading 119 and HO% is reading 0.83, what can i do to fix that?

manny 11-18-2007 09:32 PM

Year & model of car would help. ;)

tursun01 11-18-2007 09:46 PM

failed test
 
its a c280 mercedes 1995

manny 11-18-2007 09:53 PM

Lots of questions:
1. What are your limits for HC and CO ?
2. When was the last time you did a really good tune-up?
3. Do you have a " Check Engine " light on ?
4. Has the Oxygen sensor ever been replaced ?
5. How is your fuel economy ?
6. How does the vehicle generally drive ?

tursun01 11-18-2007 10:59 PM

reply
 
1)none of the light are lighted up,
2)1 and a half year ago
3)no its not
4)No
5)prety good
6)perfectly

mpolli 11-18-2007 11:14 PM

My vote:

O2 sensor.

manny 11-19-2007 10:22 PM

mpolli

Based on the age of the car, I'm tempted to agree with you but, it bothers me that he does'nt have the Check Engine light on. :confused:
Possibly the catalytic converter " going south "?

mpolli 11-20-2007 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny (Post 1679913)
mpolli

Based on the age of the car, I'm tempted to agree with you but, it bothers me that he does'nt have the Check Engine light on. :confused:
Possibly the catalytic converter " going south "?

Could be. However, often the O2 sensor failure is not detected by the computer. It can get sluggish. As far as a shotgun approach it is cheaper to try than the cat. Also I think it is more likely. Most cats are replaced because they rattle apart as far as I know. As long as the O2 sensor is fairly cheap I would throw one in. The Bosch ones are kind of spendy but the universal ones are 30.00-45.00. But I don't know how you pick a universal one since I have seen 1 wire, 2 wire, 3 wire and 4 wire... Maybe he could get the O2 sensor tested for a reasonable price?

Mike

Zeus 11-20-2007 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlomon (Post 1335907)
David: the oil is changed religiously every three months, which amounts to about 1500 miles per oil change.

Manny: I refreshed all the ignition related items a little over a year ago, which amounts to about 7000 miles (plugs, wires and the three plungers below the coils). The car doesn't use any measurable amount of oil between oil changes. I hope that doesn't mean a catalytic converter, but with my luck it probably will. Its always the most expensive thing.

Rick: Premium fuel only, 91 Octane.

Jonathan, those increases are relatively marginal. Could be plenty of factors, most probably minor. If you did a lot of city driving recently, versus a long highway trip, etc.

When I bought my E430 this past April, it scored perfect 0's. Earlier, the previous owner did a test and got some low numbers for HC and CO. So the car actually 'improved' over time, without having any work done to the car.

I wouldn't worry about those numbers at all. You could always do a follow-up test in a few months. If the numbers keep getting worse, you could have an issue somewhere, maybe the cats. Just my $0.03.

trueog 01-08-2008 08:41 PM

can the knock sensor malfunctioning hurt your HC as well?

manny 01-08-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trueog (Post 1726799)
can the knock sensor malfunctioning hurt your HC as well?

That's a trick question.
It's ( knock sensor ) job is to retard ignition timing when it " hears " knock.
If it did not work, and the timing was way too far advanced, the HC's would likely be elevated. ;)


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