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Old 12-22-2006, 06:01 AM
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cdplayer what dealership in vallejo did you buy it from? i live in valejo and I have a feeling you bought it from nino's motors???

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Old 12-22-2006, 06:39 AM
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Just to be the devils advocate here,,,about 3 years after the warranty ran out on my wifes' 400E, the motor scattered. Took it to Rahals where I had bought cars and had that one serviced and short end to long story, a new factory short block was installed at no cost to me. I saw the bill and it was for 18 thousand big ones. The car had 69K on it at the time and they told me it was a good will deal from Benz. We still have the car and it is a fantastic vehicle.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:07 AM
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cdplayer what dealership in vallejo did you buy it from? i live in valejo and I have a feeling you bought it from nino's motors???
Hey Will, I'v gotta ask, your first post was to Mercedesshop back in October, it was about a '94 Mercedes S500 with 186,000 miles on it for $5995 advertised at autotrader, and it was at some small used car dealer in Vallejo, but you felt the dealer was pretty sleazy and jerked you all over the place and quoted different prices, was this dealer Nino's Motors by chance, and you are wondering if they sold CD Player's car too?

If so, you are real lucky, to have got away from that place......your instincts about them were good.

By the way, you are welcome to check out the Mercedes drive and gathering mentioned here, on the diesel discussion thread. You could show up in your new S600, everyone would love to see that car, including me.
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:51 AM
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In hindsight buying such a car from a small used car lot seems like a mistake. Those guys just buy them at auction, and the only W220's that go to auction are the ones the dealers don't want.

What would a CPO 2001 S500 cost? I think with such a new car going CPO through a MB dealer is the best way to do it. I know a lot of people with W220's and they don't seem to be any more troublesome then any other MB or high end car.
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:55 AM
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Looking at Autotrader's solection of CPO's:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?model=S500&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=2000&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&engine=&certified=y&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=certified&distance=0&make=MB&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=06460&advanced=&end_year=2005&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&pager.offset=25&first_record=26

$35k is about right, even with the repairs you are about where you should be. Still sucks.
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:19 PM
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What about small claims court. Judges are usually very simpathetic to the car owner, but you probably should have taken it back to the dealer for the repairs. Is there a reason you didn't do that?

You might want look at the front suspension links, check all the rubber close up. the rubber bushings are thin, the rubber tends to break and tear.
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:47 PM
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Hey jim no nino's isnt the same dealership that I checked out that 94. It was some little small lot I want to say it was called luma's auto. Nino's I have heard good and bad things about. The guy had a few good cars that I known but also a few really bad ones. And I cant think of any newer mercedes dealership/ places that sell those except for nino's that specializes in luxury cars like that.


I would like to check out that gathering you guys are having. It looks like jan 20th (saturday) right? If so I think I can make it. Now I'm not to familar with Marin but I'm sure it wont be a problem. This will be the first time I show off the 92 white s600 mercedes should be fun.
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Old 12-22-2006, 04:32 PM
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wow i'm sorry about your misfortune. as the saying goes, "the most expensive used car money can buy is a cheap MB". how many owners before you? i'd try to trace the history of the car carefully, was it stolen, salvaged or flooded? cars that come up at small indy dealer's lots are some of the worst cars no one else wants.

kudos to your persistence (and wallet) to spend $11Gs on repairs. i would've just gotten rid of it and swear to never buy another MB again if that happend to me.

i hope the car will be trouble-free from now on! keep us posted.
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Old 12-22-2006, 09:51 PM
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I remember many posts along these lines for 140s. Now that 220s are coming off lease repo or warranty, I would expect these types of complaints to increase.

In fact, they may even surpass the great 140 pandemonium of the late 90s. The 220 is a thinner, cheaper, and much less robust car than the 140. However they both share inferior European plastics and cheap 3rd party Chinese electronics.

Every get rich quick little 1 man dealer in the country with gold chains and Rolex watches will be buying them at auction for pennies on the dollar. Aftermarket warranty companies come and go in the night, and often give new uneducated Mercedes owner a sense of complacency. We often hear the results on this forum. I would think only airplanes offer a more punitive outcome to ignorant unprepared owners.

It may take a year or two before it all flushes out. After that 220's will be a great deal having filtered out the riff-raff. And this poor fellow won’t be the last “220 Sux” post we see.

I cringe at every one

haha, i LOLed at your post. i hope the W220s become the alltime fastest depreciating MB ever so i can pick up a low mileage 2004 S500 sport in 5 yrs for dirt cheap!
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:49 PM
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I can't help but recommend a buyers inspection at a MB dealership.
It may cost more than at your corner gas station, however we know
what to look for with each model and year.

On 2000-2002 W220 S classes, all those issues are very common.
There are factory DTB's for almost all of them.
A burned out air pump or suspension pump will set all kinds of dtc
faults. Those would have been caught on a Buyers inspection.

That car most likely got wholesaled to a cheezey dealer because it
had an owner that never had it serviced at the dealer.
We look for those issues and will fix them under warranty when
we look the cars over during a service.

That car probably blew through it's warranty before addressing anything.
After being traded in or off lease the dealership gave it a once over and saw all the needed repairs.
Off to the auction or wholesaler she went.

Buyer beware with late model MB's from non-MB dealers.
There are lot's of badly rebuilt Katrina cars hitting the market now.
Watch out.

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Old 12-22-2006, 11:50 PM
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cdplayer what dealership in vallejo did you buy it from? i live in valejo and I have a feeling you bought it from nino's motors???
Actually I bought it next door at Sonoma Auto Center.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:57 PM
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Pretty much the same thing, those cars interchange all the time. That sucks. But as a person that grew up in vallejo my whole life, people go out of town to buy cars everyone hates to buy stuff in vallejo.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:57 PM
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What about small claims court. Judges are usually very simpathetic to the car owner, but you probably should have taken it back to the dealer for the repairs. Is there a reason you didn't do that?

You might want look at the front suspension links, check all the rubber close up. the rubber bushings are thin, the rubber tends to break and tear.
Ya. In my earlier post I mentioned the car could not be driven. The suspension had collapsed on all four struts. The dealer would not offer to come get the car. And the cost to tow this car just two blocks from my house to where it did get repaired was $115. (insurance covered.)
However insurance would cover towing up to 5 miles. The dealer was 53 miles away!!:fork_off:
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:04 AM
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I can't help but recommend a buyers inspection at a MB dealership.
It may cost more than at your corner gas station, however we know
what to look for with each model and year.

On 2000-2002 W220 S classes, all those issues are very common.
There are factory DTB's for almost all of them.
A burned out air pump or suspension pump will set all kinds of dtc
faults. Those would have been caught on a Buyers inspection.

That car most likely got wholesaled to a cheezey dealer because it
had an owner that never had it serviced at the dealer.
We look for those issues and will fix them under warranty when
we look the cars over during a service.

That car probably blew through it's warranty before addressing anything.
After being traded in or off lease the dealership gave it a once over and saw all the needed repairs.
Off to the auction or wholesaler she went.

Buyer beware with late model MB's from non-MB dealers.
There are lot's of badly rebuilt Katrina cars hitting the market now.
Watch out.

DR.D

Thats pretty much what I was thinking. The MB dealers keep the cream of the trade in crop, everything else is auctioned to non MB dealers.
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:12 AM
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wow i'm sorry about your misfortune. as the saying goes, "the most expensive used car money can buy is a cheap MB". how many owners before you? i'd try to trace the history of the car carefully, was it stolen, salvaged or flooded? cars that come up at small indy dealer's lots are some of the worst cars no one else wants.

kudos to your persistence (and wallet) to spend $11Gs on repairs. i would've just gotten rid of it and swear to never buy another MB again if that happend to me.

i hope the car will be trouble-free from now on! keep us posted.
Information from Carfax shows the car to have had two owners before me. The car was a lease for the first 5 years 6 mos. Then it went to auction. The second owner bought the car from the same dealer I got it from.
Acccording to Carfax he had it only three months. I brought that to the dealer owners attention, but he told me the guy was having financial problems and had to give the car up. Hind sight . Should have picked up on that signal.(I mean lie lie lie)

The VMI report revealed the first owner had issues with the integrated phone, shift valve problems (transmission), the transmission control unit
(twice). A fault in the battery and the instrument cluster recall.
The second owner had issues with the gas tank sending unit, fuel pressure regulator, and three jump starts (dead battery).

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