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jeastman 05-07-2007 04:32 PM

Calling for all valve/knock experience..
 
OK, have a knocking on my recent purchase 300e. Have read most of the engine knock threads and acted on them, but am still a little iffey on what might be the culprit.. hope somebody can help me out with some insight/experience.
The issue:
Engine has a knock, more present on idle, and on release from throttle. Absolutely is mechanical and within the block.
Noise does not start with start up of motor- there's about a 2-4 second delay from start-up to when it's present. I'm thinking a bearing, rod, or wrist pin would be there as soon as that cylinder spins.
Broomstick to ear test confirms its on cyl 6, though manifold makes it hard to guess where. Sound seems to be present through height of cylinder.
Exhaust has a noticeable mild hiccup every now and then. Very subtle.
All cyclinders were around 90psi on first crank, 120psi peak for compression, middle cylinders less so (70psi on first crank).
Knock is present,even when all other plug wires are pulled individually, greatly diminishes when numbers 6 plug wire is pulled.
No lack of power. am running 93 octane, and have run fuel injector cleaner and a batch of 104+ in it to clean out gunk. Have run a few tankfuls of fresh gas through it.
Pulled valve cover, and a quick glance didn't show any major issues.
At some point, PO suffered broken antifreeze holding tank, and looks to have baked head (from underneath, edges of head look amazingly clean in comparison to rest of engine)
I've driven this 30 miles at a crack about every day for the last week. Does not seem to be getting worse.

so, I've got three views on this so far:
1) Oil galley/etc. is blocked, run car w/ some marvel mystery fluid for a bit to clean out sludge and replace oil.
2) Broken valve spring. Causing hiccup in idle, and noise on head.
3) some combination of shaving head beyond clearance, valve striking cyclinder.
4) Valve adjustment, etc.
5) wrist pin or bearing.

Any thoughts? Anyone run into a similar situation? i'm also thinking about running some synthetic, and would welcome anyones views on which to run.
thanks.. !

david s poole 05-08-2007 11:25 AM

that is 103 engine.have you checked all of the bolts holding down the rocker assemblies?they are known to pull threads[they are steel and head is alu]and often need helicoiling.

jeastman 05-08-2007 03:42 PM

M103 knock
 
David, excellent idea.. didn't do more than give it a real quick once-over when the valve cover was pulled, I'll do that first chance. First time I've come across that..

regards, Jeremy

Rage0582 01-18-2011 09:30 AM

So...what happened?
 
Did that fix your issue? I am experiencing something similar. It just started last night, and it sounds like a valve, but I have not gone as far as you have in investigating the engine. It runs fine, just a little knock, and the exhaust is a little louder.

TAG 01-18-2011 11:04 AM

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Whatever it is, don't let it go too long. I blew my head gasket and wasn't able to get it fixed right away. Here's a pic of one of my cam lobes as a result. They were all pretty much like that. Rocker arms were worn down too.

Rage0582 01-18-2011 12:05 PM

Wow!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TAG (Post 2639390)
Whatever it is, don't let it go too long. I blew my head gasket and wasn't able to get it fixed right away. Here's a pic of one of my cam lobes as a result. They were all pretty much like that. Rocker arms were worn down too.

That looks pretty serious! I am going to go home after work tonight and take the valve cover off to see if I can determine the problem. I hope it is just a valve.

TAG 01-18-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rage0582 (Post 2639441)
That looks pretty serious! I am going to go home after work tonight and take the valve cover off to see if I can determine the problem. I hope it is just a valve.

My mechanic said that engine should not have even been running. But it started right up every morning .
A testament to its design I suppose.

Rage0582 01-19-2011 02:25 PM

Solved
 
I think that I have solved the problem, I was simply low on oil. I added more oil, and the noise went away.

mak 01-22-2011 08:43 PM

Good idea to drain and refresh the oil and filter ,i use the highly recommended chevron 15-40 Delo . Arguably the best oil for a 103 engine due to the ZDDP additive.
regards
mak

Rage0582 01-24-2011 05:07 PM

ZDDP additive?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mak (Post 2643315)
Good idea to drain and refresh the oil and filter ,i use the highly recommended chevron 15-40 Delo . Arguably the best oil for a 103 engine due to the ZDDP additive.
regards
mak

Sounds good, are there some advantages over Mobil 1 15w-50 (current oil)?


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