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embe560sl 06-02-2007 01:46 PM

Wrong fuel injectors?
 
I asked this question on the Sl forum with only one response but would really appreciate more opinions.
My 89' 560SL is presently running a very rich mixture. I am trying to discover the cause. One 'Techie' input has been that my fuel injectors are the OEM 'iron type' and should be changed over to the modern brass ones. This sounds rather odd to me but obtaining the correct answer will establish whether this 'techie' is full of it and to be avoided:confused:
An thoughts on what might be the cause of this rich mixture would be greatly appreciated.

Carson357 06-02-2007 04:08 PM

there are manythings that can cause a rich mixture, and injectors are a possibility, but you would likely be better off paying for a proper diagnosis rather than taking the shot gun approach, first ting i would check would be if it has fuel control, the ov relay can be defective causing no power to be sent to the engine control module, also the fuel distributor piston or the cold start injector could be leaking allowing extra fuel to be introduced, best case scenario, you can get it to lean by adjusting the mixture at the enrichment tower.

embe560sl 06-03-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Carson357 (Post 1523816)
there are manythings that can cause a rich mixture, and injectors are a possibility, but you would likely be better off paying for a proper diagnosis rather than taking the shot gun approach, first ting i would check would be if it has fuel control, the ov relay can be defective causing no power to be sent to the engine control module, also the fuel distributor piston or the cold start injector could be leaking allowing extra fuel to be introduced, best case scenario, you can get it to lean by adjusting the mixture at the enrichment tower.

'many things' is the most frustrating part of this problem. If I'm not careful, I can see I could be subject to paying many shop hours with unnecessary replacement parts if I cannot find the right people. I will certainly pursue a proper diagnosis.....if there is such a thing. I am curious as to the lean adjustment you say can be made at the 'enrichment tower'....what/where is this located :confused:

jhodg5ck 06-03-2007 02:39 PM

what are the symptoms you are experiencing? I would think by 89 you would have the later/updated style of injector.

There are two ways to adjust the mixture, one is the tower in front of the fuel distributor which effects mixture up to 2500 rpm. The other is the EHA, the black box strapped to the side of the FD.

You can read up here on adjusting the CO:
http://landiss.com/mixture.htm

Jonathan

Carson357 06-03-2007 03:06 PM

that is just it, a competent shop will determine cause before they throw parts at it. should be a fairly straight forward diagnosis, i am sure i could do it quickly, just difficult without actually seeing the car, the adjustment is under the air filter area, but they just don't go out of adjustment, something has definately caused the issue. it may have a tamper plug in the end, but the adjuster is 4mm, turning clockwise enrichens, counter clockwise leans. be sure to remember how much you turn it so you can go back if you need, do not go beyond 1/4 of a turn, do it in very small increments. you can check it using a meter.link in post above and the one below may help.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/145244-failed-smog-check-mixture-setting-83-sl.html?highlight=lambda

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Originally Posted by embe560sl (Post 1524583)
'many things' is the most frustrating part of this problem. If I'm not careful, I can see I could be subject to paying many shop hours with unnecessary replacement parts if I cannot find the right people. I will certainly pursue a proper diagnosis.....if there is such a thing. I am curious as to the lean adjustment you say can be made at the 'enrichment tower'....what/where is this located :confused:


embe560sl 06-04-2007 02:57 PM

Running very rich........
 
Thanks jhodg5ch and Carson357.........your input is very enlightening and most welcome.
I am absorbing all the information put forward :book: hoping that I will be able to sort this problem out myself, as my confidence in local technicians :behead: is non existent. I am delighted that this forum has such helpful knowledgeable folk. Thank you all and every.

just-n-time 06-07-2007 09:41 PM

I am sure you know this ,But just in-case,the o2 sensor may be the cause also.It tells the EHA to lean or richen as required.Some one check me on this but I think thats wright.

david s poole 06-08-2007 10:22 AM

you are correct.

embe560sl 06-09-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by just-n-time (Post 1529727)
I am sure you know this ,But just in-case,the o2 sensor may be the cause also.It tells the EHA to lean or richen as required.Some one check me on this but I think thats wright.

I see (said the blind man) I will look into this...is there a test that can be run to determine whether it is at fault?


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