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Hi,

I have some information to pass on:

Larry Long, a Safety Defects Specialist in the Office of Defects Investigation at NHTSA contacted me. His office is currently looking at coil spring perch failures on the 1996-2003 E-Class models and has opened an investigation on this issue.

They are aware of owners complaining about rusted perch spring towers (also discussed on this forum) and the cost involved of having them replaced. But he is specifically interested in talking with any owner that may have been in an accident due to loss of control because of coil spring perch failure, or may have been injured due to this condition.

You can reach Larry by e-mail at Larry.Long@dot.gov or by calling him directly at 202-366-6281.

Eric Wagner
Vice President
Greater Washington Section - MBCA

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Please note that the 1-800 number does not work anymore. You can reach Larry Long at 202-366-6281.

Best regards,

Eric

Wow. The government at work. I hope they make MB fix the issue for free.

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Finally, it's about time. I filed a complaint years ago. Sleazy MB USA will never admit their critical safety design flaw though

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While I agree that it is a critical design flaw, I have yet to hear of a single instance of any injury or even accident caused by this. Lots of speculation about how it could happen, but only that.

Matt,

I think that is exactly the point! They want to find out whether anyone has been in an accident or ohterwise been injured. If that happened, did the insurance pay or MB?

So, let's see what will happen here.

Eric

I don't think there have been many accidents as a result of the perch failure. They seem to all fail at fairly low speeds, usually during turning, like pulling into a parking space. The fact is you probably won't lose control of the car if one fails, even at higher speeds. Just as if a spring broke, the control arms remain attached to the car, the steering will still work, it is just very shocking to have one side drop down and makes lots of noise if the wheel happens to contact the fender. Probably a little worse than getting a blowout at highway speeds...but still bad and it should be fixed by MB before it happens on any car.

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Marty D.

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2013 Lincoln MKz

I wonder how many of the failures that occur are due to the heavy winter salting that occurs in the Northern climes? That produces lots of problems under any car, unless the owner avoids driving in the salt or washes the underside of the car religiously after such excursions.

Ben Carter

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Indeed. I'm as curious as you.

I've had dozens of 210's arrive at my shop on flat-beds, due to rusted spring perches. Not one was involved in an accident. Like nhdoc says, they usually fail at very low speeds, minimizing the potential for serious damage. Also, many more are discovered during routine inspection, long before they fail, thus preventing the ride on the flat-bed.

I think MB should be taking better care of 210 owners with respect to the spring perch issue, but it's not like they ignore them either. MB routinely pays a portion of the repair bill, usually half. If you're the original owner, and you've serviced the car at the dealer you bought it from, there's a good chance your dealer will pick up some, if not all of the remaining amount. On the other hand, if you're the third owner, and you've never serviced the car at a dealer, be happy if you get any help at all. That's just the way it works.

That explains why the dealer wouldn't have any inclination to help you out, but not a very good reason as to why Daimler Benz wouldn't foot the bill.

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2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

I would question that theory. Our 124's have been in the Pennsylvania salt and grime every winter and the undersides of both cars are in very good shape. No special care is taken either. I think the 210's had some cost cutting that is showing up now. JMHO.

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The salt and harsh winters have the same effect on either chassis..the 210s had the perch rust out and the 124s had the bottom coil of the spring rust and break off. Both the same cause , just different place.
The 210s was remedied with the support kit and the 124 spring problem was remedied with the addition of the Zinc spring inserts to the bottom support.
I have seen as many 124 front spring lowen ends rust/break as 210 perches.. both known , common faults on Nothern/Wintered chassis.

I can vouch for that - happened to my 300E up here in Canada. Spring broke exactly where you described - due to rust.

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