I have a Mercedes S320 , when i turn the key all lights go on and the radio but it will not start it is not even making a sound , that hapend on monday and today when i was trying to started now battery is out too
could this be the starter

please help i have no other car

Try "N" gear selection...

we tryed that it did not work, it is little low on oil but i dont thing it is that

Sounds like battery, which can be strong enough for lights but not for starter.

..then mention that so we know where to start..

To the left of the brake master is a firewall between the engine and booster...look there and you will see a 3 wire connector mounted to that wall . Put the trans in P and run a jumper wire from the bat + terminal to the center wire at the 3 wiree connector..that should jumper the Starter.
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Sounds like you're saying to jump power directly to the starter. Since the original poster doesn't sound very experienced with this kind of thing, it would probably be prudent to advise to wear heavy gloves and safety glasses or face shield when doing this and be ready for a brief shower of sparks. And use heavy gauge wire.

And, what year S320?

Brett

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He is not jumping the Starter, he is jumping the solinoid...and I assume you know the difference between amp draw of the primary solinoid circuit in camparison to the amp draw of a starter..

You a TECH ?????????????????????


... for original poster:
Do a Search On "X27 " ..that is the 3 wire terminal we use for starter circuit verification...there are many post on the subject. Wire size for jumper will be same as the center wire at the X27 terminal....it is the starter that requires a heavy cable , not the solinoid in this simple circuit test.

which gauge is suitable? Thanks!

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It Is 1995 I Dont See The 3 Wiree Connector

This happened recently to my 94 SL320. Started fine then all of a sudden nothing. Just all the idiot lights lit and the roll bar button beeping and flashing. John Hef, a Master Mercedes Mechanic and member here found it was a fuse. Make sure you check all your fuses for corrosion and reseat them. Hope this helps.

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If you can not find x27, then fuse #16 [ starter lock-out relay K38] would be the next step. Check that and I will verify W140 X27 location.

x27 is passenger side footwell on 140.

In regards to PowerPigs post....

There was a fuse change for that chassis if that fuse is blown [ the fuse will be the same as cigar lighter, so look at your fuse map/key chart]

Here is a post containing the change made by Benz if blown fuse condition keeps coming back

s500 w140 no crank

Just change the fuse first to verify if that is the problem. If it is , the Benz change was to get power for that lockout relay [ k38] elsewhere b/c of the chance of power failure at cigar lighter circuit due to people using that socket to power phones, cd players, accessories etc.. made for a good chance to blowing the fuse on that circuit and leaving one standed with a No Crank condition.............

Very well put. I told my friend when it happened I thought it was a fuse but it was snowing like hell and getting dark so I had AAA haul it to John who found the problem.

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hahaha. no, no, no. Are you????

It sounded like I said, so a little more explanation for the benefit of any less inexperienced DIY'ers here would be, well, beneficial. I certainly know the amp draw difference you speak of, but many do not.

If you are a tech and have some knowledge of the M120, I'd appreciate your input on my recent idle troubles. You can PM if you have any insight so as not to hijack this thread.

1997 S600. Cleaned throttle bodies, now fast idle issues, P1580, P0507

Brett

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..well, I sure doubt that you do either ..why would you tell the guy he is going to experience a "Spark Shower Show" by following a simple ignition/K-38 relay jumper technique we use everyday to test the starters upstream/downstream circuit??????

The simple diagnostic test I mentioned is used all the time to narrow down a starter circuit fault by taking the battery, starter , starter solinoid, and poor ground possible faults out of the equation in 30 seconds without a danger to the guy doing the test..this is NOT a HIGH AMP CIRCUIT !!!!!....We then know if the problem is upstream at the ign sw/k-38 relay, or NSS chain.

It is best not to go telling guys they had better use a helment, face shield, and gloves to do a simple diagnostics test that I post and that you know little about. It hinders the diagnosis procedure... and if there were a Danger of high amp jumpering, I would mention such in my test procedures.
Thanks.

I doubt it takes the starter "solenoid" out of the equation there, else it would be a high amp circuit. So I guess the question is are YOU a tech????

I don't understand why some people get all bent out of shape here.. The guy was just trying to help and made a mistake.. Just as you did in your post about removing the solenoid from the equation. I'm believe that the test you cited will check the starter and solenoid. In other words if the jumper test is a success, the starter/solenoid is good and you should look elsewhere. If it fails, then suspect starter/solenoid/loose connection, etc..

Please, someone feel free to correct me If I am wrong.

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