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Just started to get really hot here in T.O. and I've noticed that my auxillary fan doesn't seem to come on when hot. Not that my engine is overheating or anything, but it used to come on when idling too long at a traffic light or something. The fan kept blowing a fuse last year and when I checked the wires, they were all frayed and chewed up. I then cut out the destroyed part, re-connected the wire (shortened) with butt-connectors and the fuse doesen't blow now although the fan doesn't seem to be working now.
I have checked it and it moved freely (manually)can the relay be blown ? Any other ideas ? Thanks, AARON ROCHARD 1976 230.4 W115 |
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The large temp switch on the thermostat housing grounds the wire at 212 deg F. Take the wire off the switch and ground it; the fan should work.
The fan should also come on when the refrigerant in the A/C gets hot. The switch for this is one the drier at the firewall/pass side. Connect the two wires together and the fan should run.
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Pressure switch not temperature
Brother of the Benz, arochard
On the W124030, 300E, the switch stevebil is referencing is the red one on the drier/receiver and it is pressure sensative not temperature. If your W115 230 is similar then jumpering the two wires should start the aux fan. Happy Trails Beep Beep from The Spiderman in Houston!!! |
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Test the fuse and make sure is has power.
You can apply power directly to the aux fan to make sure it does run. As Steve suggested ground the 212F switch and by pass the high temp switch on the receiver drier (Yes Spiderman, this swicth is a temp switch unlike the new ones we have ). Check the freon level in the A/C system also. HTH
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Thanks guys. The first thing I'm going to do is try a more powerful fuse. I checked in my Aux. fusebox last night and noticed that I have a 16A fuse in there and as I recall, the car came with a 25A one in there. I must have changed it while trying to figure out my original problem. Does this sound right to you all?
AARON ROCHARD 1976 230.4 W115 |
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It's Alive !!!!
Tried changing the fuses on the aux fan and nothing happened. Then I grounded the wire attached to the temp. sensor to the thermostat housing and Voila... the fan works. Now will the fan continue to work or does this mean that I need a new switch or something. Not sure where to go from here.
Thanks all, AARON ROCHARD 1976 230.4 W115 |
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OK, here's my prob...
along these lines.
Noticed the temp climbing in traffic yesterday. OK when underway, get home and the aux fan isn't running. I tried grounding the temp switch wire, and all I get is a clicking sound coming from the passenger firewall area. Sounds like the relay is trying to kick in, but no fan. I did not disconnect the A/C switch in this equation. Should I have? Also, working solo, I can't tell which relay is clicking. There are three in the area of the pass firewall, two round ones flanking a square one. Which is the likely relay? Now, I'm off to squint at the wiring diagram some more.
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Mike Tangas '73 280SEL 4.5 (9/72)- RIP Only 8,173 units built from 5/71 thru 11/72 '02 CLK320 Cabriolet - wifey's mid-life crisis 2012 VW Jetta Sportwagon TDI...at least its a diesel Non illegitemae carborundum. |
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Gotta watch out on them 108 cars. The fan had a hood switch to keep to family jewels safe.
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Yeah, the spinnin' part does look a mite close when leaning in the engine bay . Where is the hood switch located? I don't recall seeing any switch buttons.
The suspect relay, the square one (I still haven't been able to feel it when grounding the switch wire), is part # 001 542 02 19. Looking at relays in PartsShop, I find a 001 542 22 19, which is labeled a "5 pin changeover". I assume this is simply an updated part number. Is this the aux fan relay? Could I also check the temp switch with an ohm meter? I'm thinking if it grounds at 212dF, I should see continuity between the post and the block when it hits 212. After pouring over the wiring diagrams this evening, I'm thinking I need reading glasses. All them little line just kind of ran together after a few minutes . Ah, the joys of getting older.
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OK, after looking at the diagrams, I find a reference to the safety switch Steve talked about (pin 49 at the 5 pin changeover), however, I find no switch. This 5 pin replay is the relay that was clicking yesterday.
Today, I disconnected the single wire from the temp switch as well as both leads coming off the A/C switch. Upon grounding the single lead to the block, the fan kicked on and remained running after ungrounding it. I had to turn the key off to stop the fan. Next I jumped the two leads that attached to the A/C switch, again the fan ran. Again, I had to turn the key off to stop the fan. With both switches disconnected I started the engine, kicked on the A/C and attached an ohm meter to the A/C switch leads and the single post of the temp switch. At approximately 195dF the A/C switch made contact. The 212 temp switch did not make contact until the gauge was nearing the red. Can a bad 212 switch affect operation of the A/C temp switch and keep the fan from coming on, or are they independant? Last thing I checked was continuity of the leads going to the fan from the A/C switch. With the meter set to 200K and one lead to each wire I showed 0.6 when I expected full resistance (0.0). Checking the wires individually to ground, one wire reads 0.0 the other reads 0.6 (I don't remember which was which). Does this sound right or does it sound like the fan motor has started south? With the daily temps hitting the low 100's, I really need to get this sorted out quickly.
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Mike Tangas '73 280SEL 4.5 (9/72)- RIP Only 8,173 units built from 5/71 thru 11/72 '02 CLK320 Cabriolet - wifey's mid-life crisis 2012 VW Jetta Sportwagon TDI...at least its a diesel Non illegitemae carborundum. |
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I've got a 72 280SE - she's overheated since I got her. Have you solved your axillary fan problem? Mine use to come on as soon as the car was turned on, it doesn't appear to come on at all now, something I've told the mechanics, but they insist it is only for the AC, and shouldn't make a difference with the temp if the AC is off. I peg out on the temp gauge during the summer if I'm not moving. Is the axillary fan for more than just the AC?
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I'm not sure myself, but I'm having overheating problems on my W124 too, and they seem to be related to the A/C...in other words, temps are normal when A/C not running, when A/C is on, and (I suspect) aux fans not doing their job, temps start climbing.
I can actually get my aux fans to fire up simply by disconnecting the two-prong lead from the thermostat housing. Did that last night as a test, and let them run for the entire trip home. Despite the 103 temps outside and A/C at max, engine temp remained between 85-87 all the way home, highway-city combo driving! So my guess is that they are not coming on early enough, or not at all!
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