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Sylvester 01-17-2008 08:40 PM

300e question
 
hi.. i have a question whats the difference from a 86 -90 euro mercedes 300e from a american 300e i never knew thanks for the help.

Hit Man X 01-17-2008 08:55 PM

Cam (I'd assume) and the emission bits. The Euro V8 cars have different cams.

I think the Euro M103s that were catless + more cam had a slightly higher power rating, 190hp @ 5600rpm; 192ft-lbs @ 4250rpm according to what I remember.

US was 177hp @ 5700rpm; 188ft-lbs @ 4400rpm



Anyone with an Euro spec M103 car comment on the converters?

kpb 01-17-2008 09:00 PM

well, I have 2 US 124s and 1 euro, so, the things I see different on the euro are:

1. No airbag
2. different climate controls and console
3. Manual rear windows
4. Slightly different interior trim
5. Five speed manual tranny (although some manual trannies were brought to US shores)
6. No side marker lights inside the US looking housings (mine were added later to certify the car and all exterior lights were "Americanized")
7. No third brake light ("Americanized", I removed it)
8. Ni license filler on the front bumper
9. No mirrors in the sun visors
10. No warning printed on the pass. side outside mirror

A host of other little things which I cannot recall at the moment. Mine has cats as it was apparently fully "federalized" when brought in.

Hit Man X 01-17-2008 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpb (Post 1735694)
well, I have 2 US 124s and 1 euro, so, the things I see different on the euro are:

1. No airbag
2. different climate controls and console
3. Manual rear windows
4. Slightly different interior trim
5. Five speed manual tranny (although some manual trannies were brought to US shores)
6. No side marker lights inside the US looking housings (mine were added later to certify the car and all exterior lights were "Americanized")
7. No third brake light ("Americanized", I removed it)
8. Ni license filler on the front bumper
9. No mirrors in the sun visors
10. No warning printed on the pass. side outside mirror

A host of other little things which I cannot recall at the moment. Mine has cats as it was apparently fully "federalized" when brought in.



Did the Euro one come catless?

kpb 01-17-2008 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hit Man X (Post 1735695)
Did the Euro one come catless?

I believe so, but only because that is what I read somewhere. I just picked it up in Sept. 07 so its been around awhile.

Hit Man X 01-17-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpb (Post 1735696)
I believe so, but only because that is what I read somewhere. I just picked it up in Sept. 07 so its been around awhile.



Okay cool deal.

kpb 01-17-2008 09:08 PM

Cats or not, the euro likes to run to the redline!:D

Hit Man X 01-17-2008 09:09 PM

Hrm, so it seems to have better top end HP over your US cars?

kpb 01-18-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hit Man X (Post 1735708)
Hrm, so it seems to have better top end HP over your US cars?

Yes, but its sorta hard to tell -- it is definitely peppier off the line but my other two 124s both have the smaller 2.6 liter 103.


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