Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help




Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum > Technical Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-22-2001, 03:23 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
Question Throttle Linkage Lube

How often should it be done? Ever 15k miles?
What is the purpose? I know mine has not been done in 40k miles atleast.
WHen the car is off and I push the gas, I can hear a metal on metal type sound from the throttle within the engine. Mine needs lubing!
What should I use? How do I do it? This is for 95 C280 with M104 motor. Do I have to remove the air intake crossover pipe? Please help, thanks. :p
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-22-2001, 05:17 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
My maintenance log states the following:

"3022 Lubricate and check engine throttle linkage
All moving parts of the engine throttle linkage must be regularly lubricated with automatic transmission fluid (ATF). Beyond the regular lubrication service intervals, this must be performed after every engine cleaning, and frequently during winter operation when road salt is used.
CHeck the bell cranks, the bearings of the throttle linkage, and the actuator lever for wear and condition regulartly. Check for full operating range."

Ok, I guess that's a start. Just want to confirm the location and how exactly do perform this procedure. I'm sure I can do it myself, and I know it needs cleaning (esp with all of the pedal movement I do!).
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-22-2001, 06:48 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 141
That is the same as what is called for on my 190E. I just did it for the first time last week. I used a cotton swab on a long wooden stick. It seemed to work well. I also took out a little slack in the accelerator cable. There is an adjustment knob on my linkage, (M103). Before I had to push the pedal a ways before there was any result. Now it is much more sensitive, which I prefer. It also seems to kick-down a little quicker. Since most of my driving is around town, I like it much better this way. Good luck!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-22-2001, 06:58 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
So you just used ATF fluid? And you just "dabbed" around down there? Lubed everything up? Nothing in particular really?
And just to clarify, I must remove the intake pipe that crosses over the engine (M104) to access it, correct? THANKS AGAIN!
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-22-2001, 07:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Saugus, CA USA
Posts: 1,989
My frustration is that I have a standard transmission and still need to buy ATF!
__________________
5 speed '91 190E 2.6 320,000 mi. (new car, fast, smooth as silk six, couldn't find any more Peugeots)
5 speed '85 Peugeot 505 2.5l Turbo Diesel 266,000 mi. (old car, fast for a diesel, had 2 others)
5 speed '01 Jetta V6 (new wifes car, pretty quick)
5 speed '85 Peugeot 505 2.2l Turbo Gas 197,000 mi. (wifes car, faster, sadly gone just short of 200k )
5 speed '83 Yamaha 750 Maxim 14,000 mi. (fastest)
0 speed 4' x 8' 1800 lb Harbor Freight utility trailer (only as fast as what's pulling it)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-22-2001, 07:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 141
My engine is the inline six. The linkage was under the air cleaner. There were several short rods with ball joint type connections, and they were a little dirty, having collected dirt from previous lubrications I suppose. I just dabbed ATF on all the ball joints, and on the swivel points. It seemed pretty obvious where to apply, once I was actually looking at the linkage. Perhaps I should have disconnected all the ball joints, but as I was not really having any problems, and was just performing routine maintenance, I just dabbed it on, and under, and around. Maybe some of the other guys with more experience could give you better advice. The only difference I seemed to notice, was from taking out a little slack with the cable adjustment. My service manual CD had pictures of various linkages on different MB models.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-22-2001, 08:29 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
Here are some pictures, just to be sure.

This first picture of the engine iw without the intake crossover pipe, the throttle linkage being at the lower right-hand corner, so I think.




Next pic of throttle housing with it closed:




Next pic of throttle housing with it opened, WOT.


A little hard to see because of the angle, but it's all the way open.


Now my questions... what in there do I lube? Just each end or whatever!? Maybe it's as simple as that...? I just keep hearing all of these parts that need lubrication, but don't see many down there! THanks again.
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-22-2001, 08:40 PM
engatwork's Avatar
busy
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Soperton, Ga. USA
Posts: 11,775
no no no David - not there

The parts that are supposed to be lubed occasionally are the "pivot" points that are outside of the air passage system. If you will look underneath the intake manifold at the linkage that makes that butterfly open you will see some linkage pivot points. Look underneath the intake manifold to the right rear of where you took the pic looking down at the butterfly. You should be able to see some back in there. They are kinda/sorta hard to get to. If you need me to take a pic and post it let me know. There should be three or four on this car (it looks real similar to the E320).
__________________
Jim
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-22-2001, 08:56 PM
Clauser1
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
David,
Iv'e been using hydraulic oil on all
the pivot points. I believe,there are 3 of
them one for the trans,accelator,and I
dont know the other one.I used an empty
squirt bottle of Rogaine.The hyd.oil
works for my car, " works for
hair.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-22-2001, 09:01 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
Yeah, I was thinking that when I was down there actually fooling with the cable and pivot points.

THis more like it??

__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-22-2001, 10:30 PM
MikeTangas's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: So. Cal
Posts: 4,430
When I lube mine, I completely remove all linkage rods from their pivot points, cables I only disconnect. I clean each ball and thouroughly clean out all ball sockets. Then I lube the sockets and reassemble the linkage. Some of the ball sockets may be a little stiff and hard to pop off the balls. A small screw driver placed between the socket edge and whichever lever it is attched to will allow for a slight twisting motion which will pop the socket.

I prefer to use a light grease as it stays on longer, but it also has a greater chance of collecting dirt and debris. Remedy- clean and lube more often.
__________________
Mike Tangas
'73 280SEL 4.5 (9/72)- RIP
Only 8,173 units built from 5/71 thru 11/72

'02 CLK320 Cabriolet - wifey's mid-life crisis

2012 VW Jetta Sportwagon TDI...at least its a diesel

Non illegitemae carborundum.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-22-2001, 10:49 PM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
Thanks for the info Mike. I lubed all that I could get my hands on down there (used a flashlight). It was quite difficult though. There is no room or light down there! What a pain it was. I used a greaser and shot some trans fluid on all moving parts (that I thought were moving parts). Pedal does have a bit easier travel now. Though I'm sure I could do a better job? How do you guys with M104 motors usually do it? THere's just no room!
THanks again for the help everyone.
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-23-2001, 12:00 AM
MikeF
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I remove the air cleaner box and give the whole works (throttle linkages) a good soaking with WD-40 at every oil change. I also spray some carb cleaner in the intake to remove grime. Pedal has always been smooth and quiet.

For what its worth. . .
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-23-2001, 01:47 AM
David C Klasse's Avatar
CheFrac is Back!
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Mission Hills in the City of San Diego
Posts: 2,352
Mike, thanks for the info. But the M104 motor is a (I think) a bit more tricky than your M103 motor. There was nothing that I could think to remove to give me more room.... except the washer reservoir but I couldn't get it off?! ARGH! Anyway, maybe if someone knows how to take it off, I'll give it a try.
Thanks! But it is working better. I just think I could do a better job if I had more room and had a better view of what I was doing.
Thanks again everyone!
__________________
2006 E350 w/ 155k miles (Daily Driver)

Previous:
1993 300E 3.2L Sedan w/ close to about 300k miles
2003 E500 Brilliant Silver (Had 217k miles when totalled!)
1989 300E with 289,000 miles (had for <1 yr while in HI)
03 CLK 500 cabrio (Mom's)
2006 C230k (Dad's)
1999 S420 (Mom's/Dad's)
2000 C230k Sport sedans
2001 CLK320 Cabrio (Mom's)
1995 C280 My First Mercedes-Benz... (155k miles. EXCEPTIONAL AUTOMOBILE. Was Very hard to let go of!)
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-23-2001, 01:55 AM
CD_NY's Avatar
Extreme Mercedes Fan
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: NY, NY USA
Posts: 104
George D:

You mentioned that "The only difference I seemed to notice, was from taking out a little slack with the cable adjustment". Can this be done to my C280?
__________________
1997 C36 Designo Red
1999 SLK230 Sport
1999 Honda CRV 5-spd

1990 Acura Integra (given away!)
1995 Mazda Miata Merlot SE (sold)
2003 Honda Element EX 4WD (sold)
1994 C280 - (sold)
1985 190e 2.3 5spd (sold)
1991 Yamaha FZR1000 (sold)
1994 MB S420 (sold)
1994 BMW 318ica (sold)
1991 Mazda Miata BRG SE (sold)
1989 Fiat Spyder (Died!)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
M119 throttle linkage & trouble codes moruzzi Tech Help 19 02-04-2005 12:30 PM
Is thge throttle linkage supposed to be this way? JHZR2 Diesel Discussion 3 01-14-2004 05:52 PM
82 300SD throttle linkage and cruise control waybomb Diesel Discussion 0 12-28-2002 06:52 PM
300E Throttle Linkage Lube A Khan Tech Help 11 12-06-2002 11:05 AM
throttle cable connection to throttle linkage jasondew Tech Help 2 07-15-2002 10:58 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2011 Pelican Parts - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page