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GregoryV022 09-17-2009 12:39 AM

Air Fuel mixture question
 
how do i know if my car is running rich or lean and how do i adjust the mixture if i need to.

the car im concerned with is my cosworth 190

mbdoc 09-17-2009 08:09 AM

By using a DDM that can measure duty cycle at diagnostic connector.

Should have 50% on/off ratio measures between pin #3 & ground.

Bill Adkins 09-17-2009 08:48 AM

You are describing a 16 valve 2.3. Not a simple car by design. The adjustment procedure is correct but there are a number of issues involving intake leaks and linkage adjustment and lubrication not to mention the correct valve adjustment. Get the manual concerning this engine, I think it's available via MB on a CD.
Bill

dhjenkins 09-17-2009 09:43 AM

I'm old school. If it's gas, look at a plug or two. If they're white, it's lean, if they're brown it's rich. You can google search images for how to read plugs.

If it's lean, look for vac leaks.

Bill Adkins 09-17-2009 09:55 AM

Newer engine fuel management systems make the color evaluation to a degree inaccurate. Actually a full load run on a chassis dyno with shutting the engine off while coasting down from speed will give a good indicator but casual driving won't reveal as accurate indication.
Bill

dhjenkins 09-17-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Adkins (Post 2295854)
Newer engine fuel management systems make the color evaluation to a degree inaccurate. Actually a full load run on a chassis dyno with shutting the engine off while coasting down from speed will give a good indicator but casual driving won't reveal as accurate indication.
Bill


That's true, but only if the vehicle is operating within acceptable LTFT limits. Once engine management has maxed out it's long term fuel trim one way or another, looking at the plugs will still be a valid indicator, especially if it's an extreme condition.

GregoryV022 09-17-2009 10:29 AM

i read somewhere that you can tell by how the exhaust smells. but that seemed unlikely.

what factors could contribute to a incorrect mixture specifically.

dhjenkins 09-17-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GregoryV022 (Post 2295892)
i read somewhere that you can tell by how the exhaust smells. but that seemed unlikely.

what factors could contribute to a incorrect mixture specifically.


Vacuum leaks, bad airflow readings, bad O2/lambda readings, plugged exhaust, restricted intake, low fuel pressure, plugged or leaky injector, bad fuel management or ECM, etc... etc...

It's a long list.

GregoryV022 09-17-2009 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhjenkins (Post 2295906)
Vacuum leaks, bad airflow readings, bad O2/lambda readings, plugged exhaust, restricted intake, low fuel pressure, plugged or leaky injector, bad fuel management or ECM, etc... etc...

It's a long list.

what would be the most common ones to check first.

dhjenkins 09-18-2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GregoryV022 (Post 2296356)
what would be the most common ones to check first.


Depends on if you're lean or rich...

At your vehicle's age, I'd check for vacuum leaks first (which would cause a lean condition). Take some carb cleaner and spray it around the engine while it's running. If you get a change in RPM, you've got a leak.

You could also get a cheap vacuum gauge (and google how to read it) to check for leaks, plugged exhaust, intake restriction, etc... Shouldn't be more than about $20-$30 at sears. Get a decent one, not an autozone one.

Also check your plugs if for no other reason that to see what the electrodes look like. Fuel management in the 80's wasn't that advanced, so you still have a chance at reading the plugs.

Bill Adkins 09-18-2009 10:35 AM

Using the carb cleaner around a running engine can have two unpleasant results. First it can migrate in around the air cleaner seals and give a false result causing non required repairs so I made a long snorkle to set on top of the intake housing moving the fresh air source high above the engine. I actually started using a water spray bottle with an electronic stethyscope to listen for the suction noise made when the water hits the leaking intake. It's quite accurate. The second item is the creation of phosgene gas, that happens when burning most spray cleaners into open flame. Dont remember which component in the aerosol causes it but it is really deadly so please be in a well vented area if using this procedure. If you get even a tinge of sting in your nose leave the area quickly.
Bill

GregoryV022 09-18-2009 10:59 AM

well a buddy of mine told me to try this trick.

i took a bottle of water and poured it over each injector while the car was running. when i poured it over the number 3 and 4 injector, the car spluttered and coughed. so i guess that means the injector rings are bad. ill change those asap.

could that also be the cause of my weird idling

dhjenkins 09-18-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GregoryV022 (Post 2296672)
well a buddy of mine told me to try this trick.

i took a bottle of water and poured it over each injector while the car was running. when i poured it over the number 3 and 4 injector, the car spluttered and coughed. so i guess that means the injector rings are bad. ill change those asap.

could that also be the cause of my weird idling

Yup.

GregoryV022 09-18-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dhjenkins (Post 2296702)
Yup.

is that a yes to the idle problem or the fact that they are bad.

tinypanzer 09-18-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GregoryV022 (Post 2296928)
is that a yes to the idle problem or the fact that they are bad.

both

GregoryV022 09-19-2009 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tinypanzer (Post 2297075)
both

ill swap them in the morning and pray that i don't have to change the breather hoses.

i also just started running Lucas Oil, Fuel Treatment and Engine restore. it seems to have gained back some of the horse power that "wore off" over time.

GregoryV022 09-20-2009 02:07 AM

so i changed out all four injector rings today and drove the car for practically the rest of the day.

the idles is still funky. going everywhere but where it needs to be. from 1500 to 2500 RPMs.

as for the lean rich problem. i guess ill pull the plugs to check their coloring. maybe ill put in new plugs depending on what ive got in there. never checked since my family got the car.

ive seen these ads for "pulse plugs". anyone have experience or an opinion on them.


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