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mbzman 10-23-2009 03:08 PM

Power steering fluid change
 
How much power steering fluid is needed for a change on a '89 300CE? Can I get most of the old fluid out by simply evacuating it from the reservoir or is there a better way? Is the Febi fluid the best choice?

Texholdem 10-23-2009 05:31 PM

You need one quart. I would suck out the PS fluid from the reservoir while engine is off, either with a vacuum like Mity-Vac or a turkey baster, then fill up with MB PS fluid ($7.50 a quart) to the mark, close the cap, run the engine, turn the steering wheel from left most to right most while engine is running. Repeat all the above 4 times to use up the quart. After that you got 90% new fluid + 10% old fluid mix.

mbzman 10-23-2009 05:40 PM

Is the Febi fluid okay to use instead of the dealer fluid? I believe the Febi is an OEM replacement unless I'm mistaken. When should I change the filter, before or after filling & extracting?

silversleeves 10-23-2009 07:03 PM

Febi is ok.

Benz Mercedes 10-23-2009 08:54 PM

filter
 
Also , change the filter.

big dog 2 10-24-2009 09:58 AM

Power Steering Fluid Change
 
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/262952-yuck.html?highlight=yuck%21

Texholdem 10-24-2009 04:42 PM

I don't see PS fluid filter for my 1996 E320. Is there one?

big dog 2 10-24-2009 05:31 PM

Filter
 
On my 1989 300E, you have to suck out the fluid with a turkey baster then take off the center lock nut and remove the plastic center pole. The filter is at the bottom of the reservoir. I fished it out with my instrument panel hook! I knew it was good for something else! The filter should be around $5.

scottmcphee 10-24-2009 08:07 PM

Leave the turkey baster in the kitchen. Get a section of heater hose. Jack the front up, pull the cap off the reservoir, pull the low pressure return hose off the pump and push your temp hose over it and allow to drain into a catch basin. Pull the old filter out. Put a new one in. Get the new gasket for the lid too. Have a helper start the car and start steering left/right lock to lock repeatedly, and quite quickly as you poor from a gallon of ATF (Dexron III) into the reservoir keeping the level up. If it sucks air you'll get froth in the output, dump more / faster to keep froth down. When you've done about 3/4 of the amount, stop the car, put it back together. Takes less than 1/2 hour.

LarryBible 10-25-2009 07:36 PM

scott is offering the best advice in this thread with one exception, you should not use ATF in the p/s system of the 124 car. Since the time that car was built, ATF went through some drastic changes and will attack the seals and other rubber parts on your p/s system.

Follow scotts method, but use p/s fluid from the auto supply store.

If you're not going to flush the system, changing the filter and replacing only the fluid in the reservoir is just a waste of time.

mbzman 10-26-2009 12:32 AM

How much fluid would I need to flush the entire system as opposed to a simply evacuation and refill of the reservoir?

big dog 2 10-26-2009 01:36 AM

ATF Fluid
 
I heard about using ATF fluid but stuck to PS fluid anyway.

pawoSD 10-26-2009 01:55 AM

Every time I am working on my 300E (not all that often thankfully) I suck out what is in the reservoir then fill it up with new fluid. I figure eventually the fluid will be quite new.

okc329 10-26-2009 07:27 PM

Re: W210 PS Filter ...
 
my 1997 E320 does not have one but if you look at the parts list, there is one listed. I believe that some early W210's had a different pump that required a filter.

big dog 2 10-27-2009 05:44 PM

Power Steering Filter
 
Are you sure it is not at the bottom of the reservior? I never knew about mine until I read about it on another post.........

scottmcphee 10-27-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarryBible (Post 2324045)
scott is offering the best advice in this thread with one exception, you should not use ATF in the p/s system of the 124 car. Since the time that car was built, ATF went through some drastic changes and will attack the seals and other rubber parts on your p/s system.

Follow scotts method, but use p/s fluid from the auto supply store.

If you're not going to flush the system, changing the filter and replacing only the fluid in the reservoir is just a waste of time.

Oh, oh. I guess I was following some old advice on what is suitable for steering fluid in my car. I figured old advice, old car, it works out... never thought about formulation changes of fluids. I know Dexron III is "old school" fluid these days, and figured it hadn't changed and that is why it's not used in modern designs.

I guess I'll be doing this fluid again... Been running on it for one season so hope it's not done too much damage.

Texholdem 10-28-2009 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okc329 (Post 2324808)
my 1997 E320 does not have one but if you look at the parts list, there is one listed. I believe that some early W210's had a different pump that required a filter.

Indeed I found the part listed on ********.az.com also for 1996 E320.

Still I don't see where it is, maybe I have to look more closerly.

LarryBible 10-29-2009 08:50 AM

Do NOT rely on simply sucking out what is in the reservoir and changing the filter. This will do very little more than doing nothing at all.

o Get three quarts of generic power steering fluid from the parts store.
o Remove what fluid you can from the reservoir.
o Remove the return hose from the reservoir and lower it into a drain pan.
o Plug the hole from which the return hose was removed so that the fluid does not run out of the reservoir.
o Open three quarts of the fluid and have them ready to pour.
o Have an assistant start the engine and start pouring in the fluid as it takes it and signal to shut off the engine as soon as it is dry and you are out of fluid.
o Replace the filter.
o Unplug the return line connection and reconnect the return line.
o Fill the system with fluid and have the assistant start up the engine and turn it from lock to lock as you fill the reservoir with fluid. Turning lock to lock bleeds the air.

Do not get the bright idea to substitute solvent for fluid when flushing. Solvent will not lubricate the pump.

The above procedure will take less than a half hour. If you have everything you need ready to go, probably only fifteen minutes.

mbzman 11-04-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarryBible (Post 2327128)

Get three quarts of generic power steering fluid from the parts store.

Does it matter whether I use generic fluid or OEM fluid such as Febi? I somehow thought that only Febi should be used.

LarryBible 11-05-2009 02:53 PM

I've used nothing but generic fluid in my 123 and 124 cars with great success. My 300E just went over a half million miles with no leaks or any other p/s issues and it's seen nothing but a flush and change with generic about every 80 or 100 thousand miles.


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