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dubadaddy 12-24-2010 06:47 PM

1997 E420 brake linings
 
Change the rear brake pads and the idiot light won't stay out. I put on a new sensor and pads with Mercedes brake lining grease. My car won't stop squealing and the idiot light keeps coming back on. I know this is not rocket science but could someone make some suggestions?

Someone told me the lining my have to "wear" in and that is why they squeal. If so what about the idiot light??

Thanks in advance.

dubadaddy 12-24-2010 06:51 PM

By the way, the new sensor is fitted to the outside brake pad.

dubadaddy 12-24-2010 07:31 PM

Have checked the specs on the rear pads and the measured about 4mm. The wear sensor was supposed to come on at 3mm but I changed the rear brake pads anyhow.

I did check the front pads and seem to have about 9mm (without backing plate) left also checked the sensor to make sure I had a tight fit in case it was a moisture issue.

It all seems fine.

Ferdman 12-25-2010 04:42 PM

Norm, please explain "brake lining grease". Anti-squeal paste is normally applied to the back of a brake pad to prevent squealing when the brake caliper piston(s) vibrate against the brake pad. I get the impression that you applied the brake lining grease to the wear surface of the brake pads. That would be a no-no.

dubadaddy 12-25-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferdman (Post 2617125)
Norm, please explain "brake lining grease". Anti-squeal paste is normally applied to the back of a brake pad to prevent squealing when the brake caliper piston(s) vibrate against the brake pad. I get the impression that you applied the brake lining grease to the wear surface of the brake pads. That would be a no-no.

Applied "squeal paste" to the back of the pad. I realize that you cannot put it on the surface of pad.

Matt L 12-25-2010 05:36 PM

Did you replace the rotors?

As for the lamp, how are the front sensors?

dubadaddy 12-25-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L (Post 2617139)
Did you replace the rotors?

As for the lamp, how are the front sensors?


Rotor did not have to be replaced due to the specs.

dubadaddy 12-25-2010 10:39 PM

What about the idiot light???

nelbur 12-26-2010 02:21 PM

I think I would unplug the rear sensor to see if the warning goes off. If so you are getting current flow through the pad. Did you use a new sensor? As to the squealing, it could just be the type pad you used. Did you use the Mercedes pad? I have heard that some ceramic pads will squeal on old rotors, but I have no first hand experience.

dubadaddy 12-26-2010 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelbur (Post 2617559)
I think I would unplug the rear sensor to see if the warning goes off. If so you are getting current flow through the pad. Did you use a new sensor? As to the squealing, it could just be the type pad you used. Did you use the Mercedes pad? I have heard that some ceramic pads will squeal on old rotors, but I have no first hand experience.

I did use porterfield pads and I did use a new sensor. It does turn of the warning light when I unplug the sensor.

nelbur 12-26-2010 06:07 PM

It sounds to me like the end that you stick into the pad is no longer insulated and is making electrical contact with semi-metallic pad and thereby to the disk. The sensor system sees the current and thinks the disk is contacting the sensor. It looked to me like my sensors had insulation around the part that goes into the pad, as well as what looked like hot melt adhesive on the end. Maybe your sensor was somehow defective. Since they are cheap, I believe I would try another. When you pull the sensor out you may leave junk in the hole in the pad and may need to drill it out so the new one can go in undamaged.

I bought my car from my neighbor. I listened to the rear brakes squeal every morning as she backed down the hill. When I bought it, I changed the rear pads to the Mercedes pad and they have not squealed since.

zinadinpeterson 12-27-2010 11:32 AM

I swapped the bulbs in each stop light. One works. Some say the license plate light can trigger the rest of the brake lights to blow. I replaced the license plate light and still nothing, but the left brake light comes on.

dubadaddy 12-31-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelbur (Post 2617721)
It sounds to me like the end that you stick into the pad is no longer insulated and is making electrical contact with semi-metallic pad and thereby to the disk. The sensor system sees the current and thinks the disk is contacting the sensor. It looked to me like my sensors had insulation around the part that goes into the pad, as well as what looked like hot melt adhesive on the end. Maybe your sensor was somehow defective. Since they are cheap, I believe I would try another. When you pull the sensor out you may leave junk in the hole in the pad and may need to drill it out so the new one can go in undamaged.

I bought my car from my neighbor. I listened to the rear brakes squeal every morning as she backed down the hill. When I bought it, I changed the rear pads to the Mercedes pad and they have not squealed since.


Yup, you are the winner. Absolutly right, the sensor was somehow defective.

Thanks you all for all the great support on this forum.


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