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Everybodyghost 06-04-2013 01:20 PM

1984 190e/w201 Irregular Idle.
 
Okay, here we go again. After sorting out the cold start issue on my girlfriend's 190e, there's been an intermittent problem with the idle. It certainly idles too high, around 1000-12000 rpm. Also, on hot days, there is often an idle surge of about 200 rpm. When the car is first started, it idles at about 1500 rpm and settles down after a second.

I have some experience with CIS, but none with CIS-E. There's seems to be more than a few differences between the two systems.

On this 190e, when I unplug the connector to the IAC, there is no change. On the CIS cars I've owned, the unplugging of that connector would usually cause an idle jump to 2000 rpm. Is this not the case with a CIS-E car?

Also, when I pinch the vacuum lines running to the IAC, the car stalls out. So I'm guessing the IAC isn't closing. Google searches have pointed me to the AFM potentiometer. Is there a test that car be done to the potentiometer?

Any help/advice is welcome and appreciated.

JamesDean 06-04-2013 03:32 PM

I would check the idle switch.

There is a throttle micro switch that get "hit" by the throttle linkage. If this is not "hit" the car will idle high.

Your switch could be faulty or not being contacted by the throttle linkage.

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porkface 06-04-2013 03:35 PM

replace the over voltage relay. it powers the idle valve and when disabled, the idle motor goes wide open.

to ACCURATELY diagnose the tps on the afm, you need a scope. pins 2 and 3, I think, it's been awhile. there's a 5v reference voltage and a ground. the 3rd wire is the return to the ecu. look a constant upward slope as the afm opens. good luck, chuck.

JamesDean 06-04-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by porkface (Post 3156127)
replace the over voltage relay. it powers the idle valve and when disabled, the idle motor goes wide open.

to ACCURATELY diagnose the tps on the afm, you need a scope. pins 2 and 3, I think, it's been awhile. there's a 5v reference voltage and a ground. the 3rd wire is the return to the ecu. look a constant upward slope as the afm opens. good luck, chuck.

OP should test the voltage and see whats going to the IACV first before just replacing parts. I dont recommend a "throw parts at it" approach. Test first. Understand whats going on and then buy stuff.

Everybodyghost 06-04-2013 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesDean (Post 3156128)
OP should test the voltage and see whats going to the IACV first before just replacing parts. I dont recommend a "throw parts at it" approach. Test first. Understand whats going on and then buy stuff.

Tests are what I'm asking about, but my usual approach is to throw parts in the air. I'm not sure sure on the proper testing process. I sell parts for a living, so I usually have a bunch of stuff hanging around. Not so with this car.

I'm considering buying a 190e parts car and just doing a fuel system overhaul on this car. Oil has been blowing out of a disconnected hose on the valve cover vent for some years now. So I really want to disassemble the system, clean it and reassemble the whole thing. I am unsure at this time whether or not actual parts are at fault, or if the oil soaked and heat baked wiring may be the cause.


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